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Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by capableweb »

AnonHP wrote: post #37

I trust Apple a lot more than I trust Google or Facebook, but this clamping down of the Mac without options for power users while officially stating that the Mac will remain a Mac is alarming and distasteful on the part of Apple. With the transition to Apple’s own chips looming, it seems like the days of “a Mac is a personal computer and not an app console like an iPhone or iPad” will be over by the middle of this de…

People keep saying "I trust company X a lot more than I trust company Y" but is "trust" really something that applies to companies at all? Feels weird to humanize companies in that way. If you trust a company, isn't it really that you trust the humans working at that company? So you should really say "I trust person X who happens to work at X today", as as soon as they leave, the trust went with them.

Companies are not people and cannot be trusted to act in any interest but profits. Any trust you feel towards a company is towards humans in the company, but let's not anthropomorphise companies (yet, until we have better AI at least).

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by AlexandrB »

pshirshov wrote: post #81
AlexandrB wrote: post #53

Both major consumer OS vendors seem hell-bent on bringing the OS layer under their complete control. As a power user, it's very frustrating. Meanwhile "desktop" Linux still kind of sucks, just like it did 10 years ago. I don't have much hope of seeing a compelling, unified UX out of Linux in my lifetime.

Desktop linux still kind of sucks because there aren't enough people writing desktop linux software which does not suck and not enough people paying for that. Also there are enough people in linux community who still hate/disapprove all the integration efforts (e.g. systemd). And the thing linux sucks the most is integration.

> Also there are enough people in linux community who still hate/disapprove all the integration efforts (e.g. systemd).

This is a fair point, and I'm guilty of complaining about systemd myself. Having said that, I haven't seen any improvements in the Linux UI experience that could be explained by "systemd fixed that". Maybe network management??

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by dylan604 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #53

Both major consumer OS vendors seem hell-bent on bringing the OS layer under their complete control. As a power user, it's very frustrating. Meanwhile "desktop" Linux still kind of sucks, just like it did 10 years ago. I don't have much hope of seeing a compelling, unified UX out of Linux in my lifetime.

What is it about Adobe software that makes it only work on Windows or macOS? Both of their graphics engines are totally different, so what makes it so difficult for Linux compatibility? It's the only software package that keeps me beholden to Apple (I'll never run Windows of my own decision).

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by seg_lol »

curiousgal wrote: post #99
munificent wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boycotting is not an effective strategy for addressing oligopolies. You need actual strong anti-trust regulation.

Regulation will never be ahead of corporations. Regulators always play catch-up. Seeing how, at the end of the day, all these company care about is profits, hitting them where it hurts will make a difference. That being said, Linux is available, and it's perfectly usable by people who would be bothered by Apple's dev policies.

These companies would be happy to lose the customer and the vars that complain. Unless you can convince 100x more people than yourself to loudly and dramatically move to something not as user hostile, just voting with your dollars will not work, there isn't enough competition.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by eptcyka »

dylan604 wrote: post #60
dmd wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're using Cisco Anyconnect, blame that for that particular keyboard issue.

Why not blame the idiotic decision to make this network check just to wake up?

I think the threat model here is that someone might've swapped out your keyboard to one that's spying on you, whilst you're out at a conference enjoying the more social aspects of such gatherings. At the same time, if you were to not be connected to a network, this kind of verification wouldn't do anything.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by anamexis »

y7 wrote: post #75
munificent wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boycotting is not an effective strategy for addressing oligopolies. You need actual strong anti-trust regulation.

Hear hear. All "just use an alternative" does is temporarily shift the problem. And then tomorrow an article appears highlighting Windows 10's invasive telemetry and people say "yeah just use macOS".

I think in both cases, people generally say "use Linux".

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by notamy »

api wrote: post #52
Skunkleton wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They say they want free as-in-freedom, but since they are not willing to pay for it they don't exist. Only paying users matter. Citation needed. If you look at app store pricing models the opposite seems true. If I were going to take a random guess I would say that tech savvy users use open source software to avoid anti-consumer bullshit more than anything else.

If enough people said to Apple "hey, this stuff is not acceptable and we won't pay for it" and then they actually did follow through, Apple would stop. My point is that the vast majority of people don't say that, only a very tiny minority. The vast majority of people want convenience, not control. They want their stuff to "just work" because even if they do have the technical knowledge they don't have the time to scr…

> They want their stuff to "just work" because even if they do have the technical knowledge they don't have the time to screw around with fixing their computer.

And that's why I picked up an MBP this year; it's caused me way less grief than my various Linux boxen have.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by ProAm »

gabereiser wrote: post #119
jjoonathan wrote: post #5

"You don't need kernel extensions, we'll provide APIs for you! We won't abuse the power that gives us, promise!" ...and now Apple has altered the deal and we must pray they do not alter it further. Disgusting. Predictable, expected, unsurprising -- but still disgusting.

Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro. To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choice…

Would you use a good trackpad that connects via USB or bluetooth? Its a real question because I see a lot of comments about people not leaving the Macbook because of the trackpad even though they dislike the rest of the laptop? Seems like something that could be a product?

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by jonny_eh »

gabereiser wrote: post #119
jjoonathan wrote: post #5

"You don't need kernel extensions, we'll provide APIs for you! We won't abuse the power that gives us, promise!" ...and now Apple has altered the deal and we must pray they do not alter it further. Disgusting. Predictable, expected, unsurprising -- but still disgusting.

Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro. To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choice…

Look on the bright side, having at least 2 choices is waaaay better than only 1.
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