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Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

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Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

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In the past people believed in lots of stupid things like "god exists", "the poor deserves its situation and the rich has earned its situation", "hatred toward blacks, Jews, neighbor country, homosexuals, handicapped and many more", "kings are good and democracy bad", "the strong country has a right to invade the week country", "the rich are evil and the poor saints" and so one. So I think the idea that stupidity has…

All of those statements are statements of value.

Maybe, in the past stupid was mainly reserved for people who knew very few facts. Knowing or having access to facts was much less common before the internet. So people used to argue about facts. But since those arguments were about facts, they always died down (someone was right and someone wrong) and you did not have a feeling of "expanding stupidity".

Since access to facts is pretty much universal now, people have started arguing about values. If someone states they have different values than you, you call them stupid. Since no one is right an no one wrong, the arguments don't die down and you perceive expanding stupidity.

Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

#132

Counterintuitively, people love reading about and engaging in what they consider "stupidity". Internet companies capitalize on this by bringing an optimized stream of stupidity for your viewing pleasure. Take a look at the front page of Reddit (logged out, default subs): Half of the content highlights stupidity of others: /r/IdiotsInCars shows the worst drivers from around the world, /r/insanepeoplefacebook shows the…

While I definitely agree with this, I am baffled by the amount of sheer stupidity that does appear to be getting wider traction. I mean, QAnon basically started as a 4chan joke that I feel like even the originators thought was outlandish, and now you have successful Congressional candidates talking about it seriously.

Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was research last year that showed that cynicism is a way for less intelligent people to protect themselves from being taken advantage of. Basically, if you know you're not smart enough to figure out if other people are genuine or out to scam you, defaulting to assuming that all strangers are lying is a winning strategy. The same kind of logic fuels conspiracy-minded people. The one thing they all have in commo…

That makes a lot of sense. I'd be curious for a link or reference to that research if you remember any details.

On cynicism: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014616721878319...

On conspiracy beliefs: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550611434786

Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

#134
In my eyes it is just the visibility of stubidity that is expanding. Ironically at the same time more and more people learn more — the question of our time is, whether the seeming knowledge they get is actual knowledge or some made up thing that just fit the hole in their soul perfectly in that time of their life.

Today more people than ever are yearning for knowledge. Knowledge gives security. You then know what you place in this world is if you know how the world looks like. The problem starts when different actors start to abuse that needs, while those who believe them are incapable of differentiating between what is real and what feels good.

Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

#135

It is a well known phenomenon that the news is more violent than reality (if it bleeds it leads, and all)... this is simply because the mundane and peaceful happenings are not interesting to watch. People like being scared a bit, and they also like feeling "at least that bad thing didn't happen to me!" I think there is a similar phenomenon with stupidity on the internet. Because of social media and the internet, we h…

But if all other things are equal , we should be seeing more frequent intelligent debates too, which is not the case. In fact if you challenge someone at best you d get a downvote

Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

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Counterintuitively, people love reading about and engaging in what they consider "stupidity". Internet companies capitalize on this by bringing an optimized stream of stupidity for your viewing pleasure. Take a look at the front page of Reddit (logged out, default subs): Half of the content highlights stupidity of others: /r/IdiotsInCars shows the worst drivers from around the world, /r/insanepeoplefacebook shows the…

actually, my friend, the median iq is still 100 - any way you slice it :/

Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

#137
Fun read. I have an item which I didn't see directly stated on here.

According to Mirriam-Webster [1], definitions of "stupid" include:

-slow of mind

-given to unintelligent decisions or acts

-dulled in feeling or sensation

-marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting

So, from this, we would the population to make slow, unintelligent decisions. However, the Flynn effect indicates that average intelligence of the world's population is increasing [2]. To me, stating stupidity is increasing while intelligence is increasing is a contradiction, so I feel something else is at play, particularly with decision making.

Historically, the information a person could access was quite limited. Information was largely passed down orally, especially if you lived in a poor society. This information was hard-won and passed down over generations. Then technology allowed information to disseminate though alternative mediums (paper, radio, television, Internet, etc.). The primary benefit of these new mediums was their accessibility, and that feature--like it or not--is a double-edged sword.

To explore this, let's consider three scenarios:

1) A person only receives information that is true 10% of the time: this person will likely not survive into adulthood. If they do, they will likely cause harm to others.

2) A person only receives information that is true 50% of the time: would this person be able to make snap decisions? Likely not, as they would need to analyze every aspect of a situation. On a long-enough timescale, they might be able to figure out specific situations, but it's unlikely they will do a good job.

3) A person only receives information that is true 90% of the time: this person should do reasonably well. Their fast decision-making processes are well-tuned and reinforced by feeding in information known to be of very high quality.

To draw the (inevitable) connection to machine learning: would you train a reinforcement learning model with training data where 50% of the labels are wrong? Of course not!

My theory is that today, much of the information people receive by default is low quality; it doesn't generalize well. Novel situations are difficult to assess because people didn't develop good heuristics for analyzing it. For example, sometimes the best decision is to just say "no" and move on (for example, cutting out negative people from your life). But if a person is perpetually in a zone of undecidability, decisions becomes far harder to make. As a result, more situations pile up, creating additional decisions, creating additional problems, ad infinitum.

Just my two cents here. And please do not overlook the irony inherent in this post. :)

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

#138

I've engaged a few flat earthers to actually listen to their arguments and show them my own evidence that it's real (locating amateur radio satellites using data shared by people around the globe and demonstrating the doppler effect on them). The response strikes me as being indicative of mental illness. And I don't mean that as an insult - I mean that when confronted with that they're clearly irrational. And somethi…

Throughout most of history people have believed wildly incorrect things, yet civilization carries on.

Unless you're an astronomer or involved in some pursuit in which the shape of the earth is of material consequence, it just doesn't matter.

Flat earthers find community and identity amongst other flat earthers, and that to them is of much higher significance than whether the earth is actually flat or not.

Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses

#139
- Foolishness and stupidity are not remotely the same thing.

- Adherence to norms doesn't necessarily take intelligence, it takes diligence. Those norms are mostly there as 'social rules' so that we all get along and prosper - and it's often difficult to tell 'which ones are important and not'. Sometimes norms are important merely as norms, i.e. 'standard modes of behaviour'. Language is like this - there's nothing inherently moral or 'good' about language but it helps immensely that we are all on the same page.

It doesn't take intelligence to break norms either, but it definitely takes intelligence to develop reasonable opinions about them. Doing so is risky and can appear 'foolish' - which is not stupid.

Sometimes we view arbitrary breaking of norms and 'not being serious' as stupid, when often it's not.

- People have always been stupid, but we now have the internet to highlight stupidity

- A lot of our own behaviours are influenced by emotional/ideological memes, which is why there are so many out and about, and even 'intelligent people' fall for them all day long. All major news outlets are written for a 'dumbed down' audience - which includes a lot of intelligent people.

- Ideology. Even smart people are utterly confounded and made stupid by their ideologies. Carl Marx said some smart things, but a lot of utterly stupid things that continue to be 'orthodox' in some groups. Every 'touchy subject' is piled upon with stupidity because there isn't any nuance allowed in the discussion.

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