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Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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Whether right or wrong it decimates the destination country’s market place. Food for thought.

I guess I really know nothing about economics... Sincere question: how does paying less for functionally/fashionably equivalent products hurt the economy of the country that's consuming them?

The local makers of said clothing can’t compete with low prices and therefore go out of business.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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I've also stopped buying at Amazon after 15 years. Even consumables and small items are problematic. Just in the last year, I encountered many issues including: * Showerhead that came without box, and clearly used. It still had a lot of water inside! * Underwear from a brand that sells items inside a sealed bag and discards returns came used, without bag (yuck!) * A module of Samsung RAM had visible wear signs and di…

I'm always shocked when I read these comments on HN. I swear it must be just the American Amazon that's so shit, because I literally never had any problems nor know anyone with these problems here in UK. Just this year I'm on 108 orders and counting, every single one of them was fine, working, definitely not used, definitely not counterfeit and delivered within 1 day as promised with Prime. Last year I've had 140 ord…

Agreed. I've tried many times to give other retailers a chance but they always screw up while Amazon Canada has yet to do so.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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While this may seem shocking, logistically it makes sense. It’s potentially easier to destroy or dump a returned product than re-preparing it for sale. I went out on a date with a program manager for one of Amazon’s return programs and she told me her job was basically finding out ways to repurpose returns as cheaply as possible. Apparently destroying and dumping it’s the easiest and least resource consuming way to d…

> Apparently destroying and dumping it’s the easiest and less resource consuming way to deal with returns. Not the least resource consuming - the least costly to amazon . There is a massive environmental cost to the practice - it's just externalized. If the companies involved (amazon, the manufacturer) had to bare the full environmental cost, the calculation would often come out different.

> Not the least resource consuming - the least costly to amazon.

I suspect that cost is a much better approximation of resource consumption than what feels wasteful, especially because it forces you to factor human time as a resource, which many environmental activists like to treat as infinite and free.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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> 30 to 40 per cent of all online purchases are sent back That seems almost an order of magnitude higher than I’d expect. Setting aside kids shoes (which probably do get 50% returned), I can’t imagine sending back even 5% of my online purchases, let alone 30-40%. I think I’ve sent back exactly 1 Amazon order in the last year, out of nearly 100.

I have friends who send back nearly everything. Not sure about shoe size? Order 3 sizes, keep the one you like and send back the other two (or return all 3 if you dont like it). Want a shirt? Order 5 and keep the ones you like, if any.

This is so incredibly wasteful.

I hope we go back to shopping malls for clothing and fitted purchases.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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Everyone in the chain is complicit... people who carelessly order things, suppliers who decide it's cheaper to just let Amazon handle their returns, and Amazon who is stuck dealing with returns.

If we're going to fix something, it really aught to be food waste!

The amount of food that gets disposed of daily - while millions go hungry - is humanities greatest issue - not unwanted coveralls.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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In Germany there are companies that buy up returns by the kilogram (mostly clothes), sometimes the e-commerce companies even pay them to take the goods off their backs. They then ship them to countries like Irak, Serbia or Lebanon to prevent those perfectly goood items to "flood" the European market. That way especially clothing brands protect their inflated prices.

So, then, why aren’t there companies doing the reverse: buying up the bulk clothing return boxes, not shipping them out of the country, but instead retailing them locally (and, indeed, “flooding” the domestic market in the process)?

Seems like exactly the sort of competitive strategy I’d expect from the “off-price” stores (TJ Maxx in the US, Winner’s in Canada, etc.).

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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I second this. I’ve tried to give other online retailers a shot but nothing beats the customer service and reliability of Amazon in the UK, even if something is slightly more expensive I’ll always go with Amazon

Yep, I recently made a mistake of buying a new Lenovo laptop directly from Lenovo instead of Amazon, and it was a huge mistake - the machine arrived with a broken screen and I waited over 2 weeks for the replacement, their support was generally useless and every time I rang them got a different answer to what was actually happening(they said the replacement is ready, only to say it's not and I'll get a refund 2 days…

At least yours arrived. I also made the mistake of buying a new Lenovo laptop directly from Lenovo some years ago, they canceled the order but didn't give the money back. Their support was completely useless, every time I called they said I had to send an email, and my emails went completely unanswered. When I tried contacting them through the consumer protection organization (PROCON), they sent a nonsense answer (as if I had received a defective laptop and wanted to send it back). I had to sue them in small claims to get my money back (plus moral damages); their defense in court was that I hadn't paid (with a printout of their internal systems showing the boleto as unpaid), even though the initial petition had a copy of the bank receipt. The lesson I learned was to never buy from Lenovo, since I can't trust I would be able to contact their support when needed.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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I feel the worst about mattresses getting returned. I'm tempted to buy a new bed (it's just that time), but not being able to try them out, I'd feel bad returning one if I didn't like it. Those things are huge and hard to recycle, and you can't exactly resell them.

It's possible to resell nicer mattresses on Craigslist. CA also has a mandated recycling fee imposed on their sale now.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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> 30 to 40 per cent of all online purchases are sent back That seems almost an order of magnitude higher than I’d expect. Setting aside kids shoes (which probably do get 50% returned), I can’t imagine sending back even 5% of my online purchases, let alone 30-40%. I think I’ve sent back exactly 1 Amazon order in the last year, out of nearly 100.

I was very surprised about my own Amazon usage today... For the year 2020 (so far): Amazon Orders: 231 Returns: 38 Return Percent: 16.45 Based on Gmail search: amazon "your refund" after:2020/01/01 before:2021/01/01 For the year 2019: Amazon Orders: 32 Returns: 11 Return Percent: 34.3 Based on Gmail search: amazon "your refund" after:2019/01/01 before:2020/01/01 A couple of things to note, 2019 I was mostly buying an…

I’m more surprised about the huge number of orders you placed this year alone.

Compared to me: I have placed 197 Amazon orders since 2013, and have had 13 returns so far.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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yeah. what people don’t understand is that the return has to be processed when it comes back. in an ideal world anything like a GPS tracker would surely be discovered. there are also several issue with how the return may go. amazon may tell you to just keep the item (if the cost of shipping + processing the return is higher that the actual product price / margin on the item). they may decide that the item is in not g…

You could surely hide it easily enough in the cardboard? Just wrap it over in parcel tape. The people at the other end will just assume you went a bit overboard in packing.

GPS emits an EMF, should be easy catch if you are trying.

Also, I wonder if you can catch it with batteries. Does amazon make the seller list the type of battery in their product?

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