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1000 Years Before Darwin, Islamic Scholars Were Writing About Natural Selection

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Re: 1000 Years Before Darwin, Islamic Scholars Were Writing About Natural Selection

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Post by noncoml »

hhas01 wrote: post #126
noncoml wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? I mean it’s still close enough for such a prediction so long back. What I am saying is that, like with the “atoms”, the intuition was there. They just didn’t have the means to prove stuff

People predicted lots of things. You can’t look back and say “oh, they predicted X right” while conveniently ignoring all the other ways they predicted it wrong. See also: Post hoc ergo propter hoc and Texas sharpshooter fallacies.

Why can't the same argument be hold for Pre-Socratic philosophers and the "atom"?

Re: 1000 Years Before Darwin, Islamic Scholars Were Writing About Natural Selection

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Post by 02020202 »

justicezyx wrote: post #4
02020202 wrote: post #3

natural selection doesn't fare well with leftis minds.

You sounded like the guys you are mocking? I.e. baseless claim without proofs?

nature doesn't need to be proven. it just is and it does not care about your feelings.

Re: 1000 Years Before Darwin, Islamic Scholars Were Writing About Natural Selection

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Post by me_me_me »

Siira wrote: post #107
Pfhreak wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a particular narrative they seem to want to advance... This is true of every media outlet. There is no media outlet free from some agenda. By exercising editorial control, they are fundamentally choosing which articles to publish and how they will be presented.

The degree of bias differs, and we’ll be foolish not to punish the more biased outlets.

All outlets publish based on Click probability.

This is all ad driven. So no wonder if article is not fully ture/overblowned/clickbaity etc.

Re: 1000 Years Before Darwin, Islamic Scholars Were Writing About Natural Selection

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Post by jobigoud »

omarchowdhury wrote: post #115
jobigoud wrote: post #56

Did they follow the reasoning to the conclusion that humans and pigs have a common ancestor? Is this accepted by modern Islam?

Human and pigs have a common creator according to the Islamic view. Even via observation, we can see that humans and pigs are similar in that they both need to eat, breathe, sleep, excrete. Both have eyes, lungs, hearts, brains... Is there a loss of dignity or some sort of implied conflation because of shared properties? What's your intention behind this question?

No I was talking about a common ancestor, not creator, since the article is about evolution by natural selection and speciation.

I'm wondering if the idea of common descend, that an actual individual animal is the grand-grand-grand-father of all living mammals, which derives from the theory of evolution, is accepted by modern Islam or was intuited by these scholars. Not merely shared properties, lineage. I'm wondering this because I would find it surprising and fascinating.

Re: 1000 Years Before Darwin, Islamic Scholars Were Writing About Natural Selection

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Post by ksaj »

pvaldes wrote: post #114
Someone wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see it that way. Genesis doesn’t mention the creation of earth, stars get created after there’s land and water on earth, there’s light with days and nights before stars, the sun and moon are equally old, fruit-bearing plants are created before sea life, and water plants aren’t mentioned at all. I think it’s about you can expect from randomly picking fragments, and throwing away variants that do not hold up to…

>the only thing it gets truly right is the creation of water life before land life 50% of probability of having it right just by chance

Planaria live right there in the middle - the muck, as it were. You're still probably correct for the most part, but it's not a binary. It had to have been quite a blend to kick things off in the evolving life direction.
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