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Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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echelon wrote: post #112
ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

> I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do. You should never get behind the wheel if there's a chance you'll fall asleep! You shouldn't be driving. Period. This is incredibly dangerous and puts innocent people at risk. No technology should compensate for this. We don't design technology to help drivers under the influence feel better about their driving. Please don't get beh…

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Post by adamsea »

ZitchDog wrote: post #128
echelon wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do. You should never get behind the wheel if there's a chance you'll fall asleep! You shouldn't be driving. Period. This is incredibly dangerous and puts innocent people at risk. No technology should compensate for this. We don't design technology to help drivers under the influence feel better about their driving. Please don't get beh…

We are human, there is always a chance of falling asleep.

Not if we are well-rested in general and healthy, and choose not to drive when we are tired.

If we have a particular medical condition / issue then that is a different story.

But folks don't randomly fall asleep (I think?) if they're getting sufficient rest and they're not already tired.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by devit »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

If you have to drive despite this, you probably should ensure to have a supply of caffeine in the car (e.g. caffeine gums, instant coffee, maybe energy drinks) and take a sufficient dose before driving [https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/motr/can-a-caffein...]

You might also be able to get a prescription for modafinil, which might be even more effective.

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Post by 8ytecoder »

ZitchDog wrote: post #128
echelon wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do. You should never get behind the wheel if there's a chance you'll fall asleep! You shouldn't be driving. Period. This is incredibly dangerous and puts innocent people at risk. No technology should compensate for this. We don't design technology to help drivers under the influence feel better about their driving. Please don't get beh…

We are human, there is always a chance of falling asleep.

Car fatigue is real. The only way I avoid it is to be constantly scanning by moving my eyes around - side mirror, rear mirror, speed gauge, back to the road. Delay(5s). Repeat. It can happen to the best of us and when you realise it’s safer to pull to the side of the road. Unlike a DUI this neither voluntary nor reckless unless you ignore the warning signs and keep on driving.

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Post by orf »

ZitchDog wrote: post #128
echelon wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do. You should never get behind the wheel if there's a chance you'll fall asleep! You shouldn't be driving. Period. This is incredibly dangerous and puts innocent people at risk. No technology should compensate for this. We don't design technology to help drivers under the influence feel better about their driving. Please don't get beh…

We are human, there is always a chance of falling asleep.

That’s a truism that doesn’t add anything. You know when you’re tired, and when a comfy warm enclosure might make you fall asleep. In such situations driving like that is as bad as driving drunk.

Don’t do it.

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Post by droopyEyelids »

myHNAccount123 wrote: post #100
gamblor956 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some states your medical condition would prevent you from getting (or renewing) a driver's license. You need to talk to a doctor immediately because you're an active risk to other people on the road.

Yeah this persons actions are VERY concerning. They need to change their behaviour immediately. To Ogre_... you cannot self diagnose by saying "I know when I'm feeling tired so I nap." Go To A Doctor NOW.

Im struggling to imagine how going to the doctor is going to fix this guy's issue.

Do you hypothesize the doctor will be able to cure him?

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by dkonofalski »

falcolas wrote: post #38
dkonofalski wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do not. They release their analysis of the data in question.

Like how they blamed the "gore" death on the driver for not having his hands on the wheel? The data showed that the "hands on the wheel" alert preceded the crash by 8 minutes. Tesla will absolutely use any data you send them to attack you, especially if you have the bad taste to die in their car with autopilot active.

What data did they release from any accident? If you're going to keep spamming the comments of this thread with claims that Tesla releases the data it collects, you need to support those claims.

Tesla has never released the data from an accident. They only release their assessment of the data to authorities and authorities have decided whether to communicate that to the public.

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Post by huid827 »

eulers_secret wrote: post #31
throwaway12757 wrote: post #3

Sadly, one of the reasons I will never buy a Tesla. The lack of privacy concerns me.

Privacy is already dead (or at least, on life support). I'm personally not giving in easily, and certainly wouldn't buy a car with a camera I don't control pointed at my face. That is absurd to me. However, most people just see this only as a safety issue. They're willing to compromise a lot of privacy for a little increase in safety. That's not objectively wrong, but I disagree with it. If I could audit my records,…

What do you people do in your cars that concerns you so much from a privacy standpoint, other than pick your nose?

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by OBFUSCATED »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

Ford has a system that does this. It looks out for things like sudden corrective steering inputs. https://www.haynesford.co.uk/Tech-Ford-driver-alert
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