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Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by mikestew »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

I keep seeing people who argue that TVs would be notably "more expensive" if they didn't come with ads. Let's say that the average Samsung TV costs $1,000, ad revenue per person is around $30 a year, and the average lifespan of a TV is 10 years. I own a Samsung TV since 2016. I think they may have pushed 5 firmware updates since then. There is no way I can be convinced that Samsung needs to increase the price of TVs…

I keep seeing people who argue that TVs would be notably "more expensive" if they didn't come with ads.

Yeah, ad revenue couldn't possibly be just "found revenue" to layer on top of existing profits. Why folks are so willing to carry water for corporations, by making unsubstantiated excuses for them, mystifies me.

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Post by mattnewton »

propelol wrote: post #96
namanaggarwal wrote: post #15

Made a mental note to buy only the dumb tv. If I want streaming options I would rather setup my own. Or for non-tech I would recommend dumb tv + apple tv or Chromecast

I'm currently looking at some 4k 50+ inches PC monitors, and I don't see what the downside is doing this instead of getting a TV.

Just price usually, since they tend to marketed towards enthusiasts/professionals vs general consumer markup of big tvs in my experience. But this is what I would do if I couldn’t setup a projector.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by 542354234235 »

simlevesque wrote: post #102
ihumanable wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is literally what the poster originally described.

No, he said it made it not a smart TV.

What exactly is the point of intentionally misinterpreting what someone said just to make a semantic and pedantic argument that adds nothing because everyone already knew what the person said?

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Post by stevenicr »

indysigners wrote: post #6

I’d rather have no telly at all than buying some crap Samsung tv for €2.000 only to see their programmatic advertising. Whoever at Samsung decided this must be drunk! But hey, I guess there still are enough people around who don’t care.

My guess is that there are enough people around who don't know.

Also it's hard to tell people about it and for them to grasp all the ways this can be used.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by 542354234235 »

stevewodil wrote: post #12
skizm wrote: post #4

I wonder if there is a market for dumb TVs. They basically don't exist today. Closest thing I could get was a Dell conference room monitor, which is $1200 for a 55 inch, and $4500 for a 75 inch. A far cry from the $700 I spent on my current 75 inch TV, but I'm strongly considering it.

There's probably a market, but the question is how big? TV's have gotten so cheap because of the ads and data mining, so a TV that doesn't have that would be considerably more expensive. People on HN might spend more for some privacy, but most average consumers definitely wouldn't. I almost would like to see Apple release a television that has tvOS built in.

But isn’t that just the lie they tell us to justify it? Ads don’t bring in much money on a per individual basis. But if you sell the Tv with ads and tell people it’s the only way it is affordable, then you can double dip. Two revenue streams is always better than one. It also explains why no manufactures give you the option to buy a version without ads or to pay a onetime fee to disable the ads part of the software.

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Post by Phillips126 »

TomGullen wrote: post #98

Lone voice here I guess - I have a mid/high range Samsung TV and love it. Picture quality is brilliant and it looks good on the wall. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an advert on it from Samsung - where are they appearing exactly? I just switch between terrestrial TV and various apps like Netflix and Amazon on the bottom navigation bar and don’t think I’ve ever seen one. Might be wrong though!

Like you I also had a mid/high range Samsung TV. The ads were not as obtrusive being only on the bottom left of the menu bar, but its the ACR that I needed to get away from.

> Samsung Smart TVs have built-in Automated Content Recognition (ACR) technology that can understand viewing behavior and usage including programs, movies, ads, gaming content and OTT apps in real-time.[0]

Literally every second or two, Samsung was performing some screen reading data collection and sending it off to their servers. My Pi Hole was capturing 12,000 blocked requests from this per day (6-7 hours of shared family viewing). This resulted in a poor user experience where I would feel the actually latency when trying to navigate around or open the menu. After factory resetting my TV it was so snappy again. Plugged in an AppleTV and haven't looked back. This form of advertising is incredibly invasive and disgusting to me, with constant spying/screenshotting of the content I am viewing.

[0] https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-...

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by beagle3 »

buro9 wrote: post #72

If you don't like this: 1) Buy an Nvidia Shield, Google Chromecast, or Apple TV 2) Connect that to your TV 3) Factory reset your TV and never connect it to the internet again

This is a temporary measure. Soon enough, they will have 5G or 6G modems inside, a special arrangement with carriers (a la Amazon’s whispernet), and You would have to wrap it in tinfoil to stop it from reporting on your viewing habits and showing you ads.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by beagle3 »

drewg123 wrote: post #122
troydavis wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really is the only viable option right now, and specifically only the Apple TV. The Shield and Chromecast are slight improvements, but of the mainstream TV choices, Apple TV is literally the only product that puts your privacy first.

And sadly, you need to trade your freedom for your privacy with AppleTV. I have a shield so that I can sideload apps like NewPipe and Kodi. I wish AppleTV would allow side-loading apps. That would be the best of both worlds.

Apple TV does let you. You just have to reload them once a week, or factor an additional $100 into the price to only do that only once a year.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by beagle3 »

stevewodil wrote: post #12
skizm wrote: post #4

I wonder if there is a market for dumb TVs. They basically don't exist today. Closest thing I could get was a Dell conference room monitor, which is $1200 for a 55 inch, and $4500 for a 75 inch. A far cry from the $700 I spent on my current 75 inch TV, but I'm strongly considering it.

There's probably a market, but the question is how big? TV's have gotten so cheap because of the ads and data mining, so a TV that doesn't have that would be considerably more expensive. People on HN might spend more for some privacy, but most average consumers definitely wouldn't. I almost would like to see Apple release a television that has tvOS built in.

Thats unlikely to be true. Computer screens if comparable sizes (the ones that exist) have dipped in price in the same way, despite having no ads or apps or anything.

The prices are down because of process improvements and competition. Ads can make a $10-30 difference in final price.

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