I upvoted based on the title. Usually I would frown on that, but the title itself is correct in my opinion. Correct enough
that regardless of the content of the article, the title should be discussed.
Privacy is the most important concept of our time
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Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time
#132I wanted to like this essay, because I also worry about the loss of privacy today, but the goofy paragraph about borders turned me off. To believe that borders are conducive to peace sounds like a bad case of internet-brain.
I've always wondered how people who advocate for more open borders justify their position. Could you expand? Naively I would think regulating borders is an essential function in maintaining rule of law - undocumented workers are fodder for exploitation. But I'm honestly open to being wrong.
They don't, that's the trick - they just insult those who vocally oppose their ideas.
But it's immediately obvious to any mildly intelligent, intellectually honest person that open borders are only possible for ultra-capitalist countries; imagine putting a billion people into the EU, and the countries are going to go bankrupt and collapse faster than you can say "public healthcare and free schooling".
Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time
#133If you think privacy is the major concern of most people then no offence, but you've had a pretty privileged life. I doubt it's even the major concern of most people in Western countries due to unemployment, poverty, debt etc. let alone developing nations which have the real risk of actual famine and so on.
It is a privilege! We should use our privilege to protect the privacy of those who can't be bothered!
Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time
#134If you think privacy is the major concern of most people then no offence, but you've had a pretty privileged life. I doubt it's even the major concern of most people in Western countries due to unemployment, poverty, debt etc. let alone developing nations which have the real risk of actual famine and so on.
Yes, you may have a pretty privileged live. In my opinion your obligated to think and care about such things, when you have a privileged live. I don't expect a poor 3rd world family to save privacy or the climate--but I expect it from people who have the luxury to spend time on these issues. Everyone will get reckt by lacking privacy or the collapsing climate if we don't do something about it.
I've had a privileged life.
The biggest issue I've faced is stubbing my toe. Being obligated to think and care about such things I've determined that stubbed toes are the most important concept of our time.
Those of us with privileged lives should feel obligated to think beyond our bubbles and look at the real issues affecting people who are less privileged.
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#135This seems unpersuasive to me. I mean, privacy is good, sure, I agree with that much. But it's trying to pin too much on one concept. For example, this is a big part of the thesis: > A clear example of the loss of privacy is the rise of violent rethoric. And I think that's pretty clearly disproved by the fact that violent rhetoric is almost always deployed in closed, "private" communities. The more closed, the more v…
Likely just a prejudice, see https://www.researchgate.net/publication/238326248_Swearing_...
http://www.seth-smith.org.uk/images/laughter/expletives.pdf
https://www.businessinsider.com/brainstorming-sessions-begin...
http://keele.ac.uk/media/keeleuniversity/facnatsci/schpsych/...
https://www.medicaldaily.com/bad-words-people-who-curse-and-...
Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same you can say about global warming. Is this immediate threat? This year? Next year? In 10 years? Violation of privacy might lead to the situation that someone will be unemployed forever because of something that he or she wrote 20 years ago on Facebook or employees managed to fetch data that a person was depressed, has many kids, etc. Massive abuse of privacy will lead sooner or later to some kind corporate versio…
I don't mean to make light of struggling to find somewhere to live, and I know it can be difficult for many due to reasons beyond their control, and this really sucks. Everyone should have a place to live. I'm interested in exploring the hypothetical, when you say: > keep person homeless because nobody will want to rent a flat because someone's kids stained the walls in the rented apartment. If Evan's kids stain the…
Do you have kids yourself? How much control do you ultimately have over them? How long should this metric haunt you?
When hearing how US credit scoring works I do not think it is a system worth striving for.
This quickly becomes analogue to another HN discussion today about job opportunities for felons. That is hard threshold - it is easier just to skip them.
Should we let the market forces rule freely?
If not totally free then how big a pooled risk is acceptable to you? A pool for those with kids and another for those without?
I have no kids and personally I prefer one pool. Even with those unruly kids upstairs!
When I see a society with gated communities I feel sorry for them. I live a place where we do not have them and I am grateful for that. They might be happier than me - but I do still not envy them.
I often find people who argue fair pricing are the ones who think they are in the sweet spot.
The example seems a little contrived as well. If Evans kid stains the wall he would fix it. If not - then it is when you have the deposit to mitigate that risk.
I do however get the gist of it. And personally I like the pooled risk. I think that we do much better together than as individuals. The pricing might seem unfair but sometimes it in your direct favour. And the "insurance" feels nice too.
Naturally it comes down to your own philosophy.
So while I agree that it could give a variant of more accurately pricing I do not think that kind of "precision" is healthy.
I am afraid that the privacy ship has sailed but I still think it is worth fighting as the current course have a high risk of a truly dystopian future.
Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time
#137No. I'd say there are a few things before. - notion of time - distance and space - experience - depth of social bonding and cultures - even magic and mysticism.. (in the days of full and unalterable data with logic processing)
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- depth of social bonding and cultures
- even magic and mysticism.. (in the days of full and unalterable data with logic processing)
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I think here privacy is very important as it allows identity-trying. If there is no privacy then somebody can't try different incompatible identities that they find interesting and they also need to be very careful in their current identity not to anything that is permissible in their currenty identity, but might be a problem in future identities (theyre behavior is limited activities that are current-identity approved and all possible future-identities approved.) E.g. non-major drug-crimes like posession might not be seen as very bad in your current country/setting but when immigrating to the US they seem to play a big role1 (kidnapping/robbery can get waived, almost all drugs not iiuc). (somewhat related to some parts of mysticism) E.g. someone who lives openly gay(/or in faith/opinion/group) in a region but might want to return to his more negative former country where it would be better to hide this tendencies from family umfeld/authorities (eg during an college exchange term or whatever). This basically goes for everything whether it be a complete lifestyle (eg hippies vs traditional business executive (in 60s archetypes) or whatever people do or just their personal or political/world-view opinions (eg personx thinks persony is z or political opinion or whatever or worldview from like causality to like what determines behavior or basis of justice/legitimacy of behavior etc)) And in general depth of social bonding is strongly related to trust and intimacy and that is greatly facilitated by privacy (eg when you google psychologist one suggestion is even indicating that people love their psychologists and maybe also this experiement2))(edit: could be further facilitated with privacy-regulation (like with formerly mentioned psychologists or sexting that we already have)
2: some study where two people together do a quiz on personal questions and then they love each other afterwards iirc (there was some nyt-article about it)(possibly very stupid study dont know just an suggestion) EDIT: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/style/no-37-big-wedding-o... (google-result) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8866933 was discussed here (possibly different to nyt-link) i think i read the article and dont think i read the study or not more than the abstract if (but im not sure about complete former sentence) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014616729723400...
1: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/for-what-types-crime... You may be able to get a waiver if you are inadmissible for one of the following: a crime involving moral turpitude (except for murder or torture) two or crimes with a combined sentence of five years or more (except for murder or torture) one offense relating to simple possession of 30 grams or less of marijuana prostitution or commercialized vice, or having committed a serious criminal offense, claimed immunity for that offense (for example, diplomatic immunity), and left the United States, without thereafter being prosecuted in a U.S. court for that offense. You will not be eligible for a waiver if you are inadmissible for one of the following: any drug crime (other than an offense related to simple possession of 30 grams or less of marijuana) drug trafficking murder or torture significant trafficking in persons money laundering, or having committed a particularly severe violation of religious freedom while serving as a foreign government official. [eg getting a waiver doesnt seem simple at all, but they couldnt even get one]
Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time
#138If you think privacy is the major concern of most people then no offence, but you've had a pretty privileged life. I doubt it's even the major concern of most people in Western countries due to unemployment, poverty, debt etc. let alone developing nations which have the real risk of actual famine and so on.
As the article states: those without means and power are the most vulnerable to their privacy being taken away and the information being used against them.
Also: I hate your use of "priviledge" to argue anything anytime in any context without a proper thought. You haven't even made a point.
Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time
#139If you think privacy is the major concern of most people then no offence, but you've had a pretty privileged life. I doubt it's even the major concern of most people in Western countries due to unemployment, poverty, debt etc. let alone developing nations which have the real risk of actual famine and so on.
"Of our time"...
Famine, debt, etc are well known issues but we know about them from bygone eras.
Privacy is changing in ways that are only apparent recently. Who'd have thought 20 years ago about your personal data being mined for profit? Apart from a few forward thinkers, probably not too many.
Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time
#140If you think privacy is the major concern of most people then no offence, but you've had a pretty privileged life. I doubt it's even the major concern of most people in Western countries due to unemployment, poverty, debt etc. let alone developing nations which have the real risk of actual famine and so on.
I'd say breathing is the most important concept of our time.