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Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by solarkraft »

nicolas_t wrote: post #18

Can those "smart" TV do ACR on content provided via HDMI? i.e. if I connect my apple TV to my intrusive smart TV, does it do ACR on the signal it receives via HDMI? At home I don't have a smart TV (I use a JVC video projector and they've resisted adding those kind of useless feature so far) but my parents use a smart TV connected to an apple TV and so I'm curious what happens there.

Yep, they can. AFAIK it's some real processing on the signal.

I do wonder what kind of content it can detect and in which modes.

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Post by saiya-jin »

xenadu02 wrote: post #51

Obviously you can buy "commercial signage" displays which are panels without the crapware. Anyone have recommendations for units they've bought this way? I've avoided upgrading my super old LCD because at least my current one is somewhat stupid and so long as I don't connect it to the network it mostly does what I bought it for: display the pixels.

Unnecessarily expensive. Just use any TV without allowing internet. Not connecting some (maybe not newest) TV vs not connecting commercial panel should be about same amount of work.

I use few year old Sony like that, couldn't care less about any of these complaints. It requires trips to PC to manage content, which I think is the biggest hurdle of this approach for lazy couch potatoes.

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Post by texasbigdata »

sdfqasdghj wrote: post #82
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing that in addition to them pushing their data stats to AWS they don't make that data available to you for free or indefinitely? (kinda like how Nest only lets you see 10 days' worth of thermostat data via their own service with absolutely no option or ability to download a CSV of all data since day 1 even though they have that data in a SpannerDB somewhere in a Google datacenter)

It is not the company's data. It is the users' data.

So you’re positive after 7 days it all gets purged?

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Post by cheschire »

oarsinsync wrote: post #101
huhtenberg wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it Just don't connect it to the Internet. The bigger problem is that at some point there will not be any "idiot box" models at all. The TVs will refuse to work if they aren't seeing the Internet. Then we'll be truly fucked.

> The bigger problem is that at some point there will not be any "idiot box" models at all. The TVs will refuse to work if they aren't seeing the Internet. Then we'll be truly fucked. We're closer to that than you think. My Philips Ambilight television (purchased this year) throws a popup every few weeks already complaining that I've not completed setup and connected it to the internet. As sold as I am on Ambilight (…

You may be able to connect it to your router but then use your router's parental control features to block the net for that reserved IP.

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Post by felipelemos »

neya wrote: post #31

Fuck the guy who wanted to suck up to the management in some stupid meeting projecting estimated revenue out of this to ask for a raise later because he "contributed to a revenue increase" to the company. There's absolutely no after thought to this decision - If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it, showing ads is unacceptable, no matter what the…

I think the best way to fix this before it creates legs is to have a huge backslash.

They should feel social pressure to backpedal this stupid decision by hurting their marketing for fear to be known as the brand that has ADS in their television sets.

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Post by mercora »

walrus01 wrote: post #45
silon42 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just fear they will start doing Internet via TV box via HDMI... it will be time to cancel that too, or use it via VGA converter.

a lot of people don't know that HDMI can carry the equivalent of 100BaseTX Ethernet, which is definitely a threat in this scenario.

AFAICT this works over the same pin that could carry ARC which is arguably more useful to most people and usually available at least on one port. However, devices could also communicate via DDC or CEC too although rather low bandwidth is available it could be enough for some telemetry. Its probably possible to do this via HDMI info frames too somehow... or via direct wireless connections between these devices or infrared or.... the point is there are quite some ways to achieve communication between connected devices already without it.

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Post by donatj »

I don't understand destroying your brand like this. Samsung from the early 2000s to ~2015 meant quality. Is it worth the short term gains from ad revenue over long term customer loyalty?

I myself was a pretty loyal customer up until very recently when it came time to buy a TV and I specifically wanted one without ads ruining the experience.

I'm reasonably certain this will make this many peoples last Samsung TV.

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by martin_a »

adwww wrote: post #36

I walk into a department store or electronic shop, will I see these adverts demoed on the menus there? It would only be fair to let people know what to expect!

Nah, those devices most likely run in "demo mode" which will obviously have ads disabled but is not suitable for home use... ;-)

Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by joosters »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #93
neya wrote: post #31

Fuck the guy who wanted to suck up to the management in some stupid meeting projecting estimated revenue out of this to ask for a raise later because he "contributed to a revenue increase" to the company. There's absolutely no after thought to this decision - If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it, showing ads is unacceptable, no matter what the…

I don't trust most smart TVs, that's why I bought a dumb TV from TCL. If I want any fancy smart functions, I'll just connect an android box via HDMI.

But why do you think your android device will have fewer ads and spyware? Unless you rolled your own OS, it probably is infested with crud.
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