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I vehemently agree. Do you have an idea of how to stop it? Perceiving and describing reality other than it actually is seems to be growing in popularity, but I don't see the advantage in that approach.
So your response is to participate?
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Well, the explicitly obscure social credit system “terrorism watch list” keeps you from flying with (almost) no recourse. I’m pretty sure it will be privatized. And it’s only a matter of time before your arrest record will affect your ability to attend a concert or sporting event — this is already the case in the UK.
And it's been the subject of much criticism, such as yours, although none have really stuck. I wonder if the same can be said within China?
It's opaque workings still concern civil libertarians tremendously. There's 50,000 on the list. That seems excesive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List#Controversy_and_cr...
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> China wants to be better than and more powerful than the United States of America in every possible way Citation?
I don't think you need a citation for something that every country most likely aspires towards.
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https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/grounded-life-...
Not the same thing as it applies to suspected terrorist only. In contrast anyone can be blacklisted by the SCS for numerous reasons unrelated to terrorism and banned from using ALL forms of public transport.
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I don't think you need a citation for something that every country most likely aspires towards.
What does those terms even mean, “better than and more powerful”?
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False, Equifax does not have access to all of facebook chat records. China has access to WeChat.
I was thinking of public FB, Twitter etc activity. But you raise an important point. FB scans and processes all FB messenger traffic as does Twitter DMs (unlike, say, iMessage or, currently, SMS). They use the info for the usual customization, profiling, and ad sales. I don’t believe they sell the actual data itself but really there’s no reason why not, or why they couldn’t sell scoring info to the big guys. And now…
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To answer the question, China at the very least had a hand in the creation of Vietnam and north korea. They could be trying to export the system for different reasons than world domination. Perhaps just to make some money or befriend the neighbors. Russia sells its technology to anyone who wants it. Why wouldn't china?
Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
Societies where the elites are only interested in stealing everything they can take look like Nigeria (or Mississippi): a tiny sliver of people living in luxury while the rest of the population lives in permanent, abject, squalor.
In contrast, median living standards in China have improved dramatically in living memory. In many cases, the transformation has literally been from mud huts to skyscrapers. The kind of wealth distribution that supported this transformation would not have been possible if China's elites were only interested in self enrichment; if they were, they would have taken the wealth for themselves.
Obviously, China's human rights policies have no redeeming qualities, but its economic policies have benefited the average Chinese citizen. Credit where it's due.
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I'd be happy to let the chinese take over but I think they'd put me in a death camp and harvest my organs and rape my sister because we're brown. Just seems like what they'd do, after seeing what they're doing to the uighurs.
Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. Such discussions are repetitive, predictable, nasty, and dumb. We're trying for thoughtful conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
You should know that when you willfully ignore problems, that doesn't actually make them go away. Vanishing my comment is just shameful and childish. All you've demonstrated to me is that HN doesn't want any discussion of human rights abuses.
So go ahead and full-ban me Dang, if you really don't think anything I have to think or say belongs on here. I'm sick and tired of your immature, over-reactive, naive userbase anyway. If I could spit on you all through the computer, I would.
Like the article mentions, private sector credit systems have the same or similar result in dictating outcomes, but as long as its not from the state, nobody in the west will care about it. Which is very weird because it is exactly how people end up living in worse neighborhoods even if they have enough money to pay rent elsewhere, leading to worse and worse outcomes and no way to change that. A state sanctioned one…
Also their scope is limited: if I show that I can't be trusted with credit, the result of my low credit score is that it becomes harder for me to get more credit.
With China's social credit system, me habitually making restaurant reservations and then bailing on them, or defaulting on loans, can result in my being denied the ability to fly on a plane. These things have nothing to do with each other, and the punishment does not fit the "crime". If I bail on restaurant reservations all the time, I should just not be allowed to make restaurant reservations. If I default on loans, I shouldn't be able to get more loans.
I agree that the private sector credit systems could stand to be improved a lot, and there are a lot of side consequences for being unable to obtain credit (that tend to disproportionately affect certain types of people), but that is nowhere near the same thing.