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Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by blibble »

jariel wrote: post #111
KingOfCoders wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When 'one day' it's presedential it will be voted for by the European parliament. This is what 'United States of Europe' means. The EU has been on a course to more democracy and more power for the parliament (e.g. Treaty of Lisbon), so I'm not sure why people assume this stops, argue that it is not happening or argue that it is reversing - when it is not - e.g. see GDPR.

This is essentially not true and misunderstanding of why the EU exists in the first place. "When 'one day' it's presedential it will be voted for by the European parliament." And who will propose and design the legislation? The Executive! Definitely not elected MEPs, because they are barred from doing so! MEP's, in 2020 remain forbidden from initiating or enacting legislation. They have the bare minimum power to legi…

there's also the important point that once a law is passed, it's impossible for your elected representatives to remove it or even amend it

the entire project is about centralising executive power, which necessitates removing it from national legislatures

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by zepearl »

_Microft wrote: post #77
ctas wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't consider her being in the conservative party the actual problem. In Germany she's well known for nepotism and corruptness, even if until this day she successfully evaded the punishment. Not long ago there's been a claim that her phone contains important evidence in support of the accusation, but it turned out that data on the phone had been "accidentally" wiped.

I'm german and it's the first time I hear someone calling her corrupt or nepotistic.

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Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by turbinerneiter »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #54
ctas wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't consider her being in the conservative party the actual problem. In Germany she's well known for nepotism and corruptness, even if until this day she successfully evaded the punishment. Not long ago there's been a claim that her phone contains important evidence in support of the accusation, but it turned out that data on the phone had been "accidentally" wiped.

"In Germany she's well known for nepotism" As a German this is not "well known" to me, do you have a source? Until now I thought one Accenture manager was the godfather of a child of a deparment manager in the ministry of defence and Accenture got an consulting gig? I didn't know until now she was giving jobs to her relatives.

One of her kids works for one of the big consulting companies she loved to hire.

But more importantly, the people working for her on the government side were often super close to the consultants they hired. As the minister, she takes responsibility for what is going on in her ministry - and that was full of friends giving contracts to friends.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by throwaways885 »

akerro wrote: post #17
pbowyer wrote: post #10

But only in a "limited and specific" way, so that's okay [UK in-joke] At least we're not the only country wanting to violate international agreements at present

>At least we're not the only country wanting to violate international agreements at present Countries do it all the time and there are conflicts because it all the time everywhere. UK is slightly different because EU is much stronger than UK, withdrawal agreement is important to keep food, medicine and skills flowing between borders. UK government is planning and making first successful steps towards breaking withdra…

> Countries do it all the time and there are conflicts because it all the time everywhere. UK is slightly different because EU is much stronger than UK, withdrawal agreement is important to keep food, medicine and skills flowing between borders.

[Citation needed.]

Plus, the government's argument (today at least) is that the EU broke the agreement first, so it's nil and invalid.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by chki »

lumost wrote: post #56
skocznymroczny wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conservative doesn't really mean much anymore on its own. CDU might be considered conservative by Western European standards, but it's liberal by Eastern European standards.

Are there any major pan-european parties? (that are taken seriously)

Volt comes to mind but they are relatively new and only have one parliamentarian in the EP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt_Europa?wprov=sfla1

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by LockAndLol »

PaulHoule wrote: post #99
tpetry wrote: post #7

As a german i am quite sure they will ratify software patents. The very sad part is the people deciding this have absolutely no understanding what they are doing and that they open the box of pandora. There is currently almost no invest money in european startups, and if everyone of these startups is liable for bogus software patents they will have absolutely no chance on getting big.

Does the government think that if they had software patents they could get a Facebook too?

They don't think, they get paid and that's all they want to continue. It doesn't matter which "Facebook" it comes from.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by aagd »

ta20200917 wrote: post #106

Github and other OpenSource hosting sites should pretty much invalidate any possible software patent claim via prior art, right ?

These patents might open the doors for legal battles that small companies might just not have the resources for. They're a perfect tool for trolls and bullies.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by LockAndLol »

Good to know Germany is as suggestible as other European countries to the influences of big American corporations. The longer the EU stays a loose union of countries, the longer it will stay susceptible to these kind of moves. Division isn't unity.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by chki »

akerro wrote: post #119
Voxoff wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it happens but rarely does it happen exclusively in the West where there is a lot at stake. (Would be interested in counterexamples) International law, as an attempt to tame excesses of diplomacy, is something that has lifted up the West. It's brought order and prosperity. This move is yet another jenga brick taken out of the liberal West, thereby weakening the EU. The EU really needs to bother...

Just googling for: France breaks international law https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181017-amnesty-france-vi... Spain breaks international law: https://www.icj.org/spain-conviction-of-catalonian-leaders-v... Poland breaks international law https://www.ecre.org/human-rights-organisations-poland-viola... I don't think I need to search for any about USA, each of us remembers at least 5 from very recent history.

The very important difference being that these countries did not explicitly say: "We will break international law". You might think that's a technicality but in international law that's really an important distinction.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by Voxoff »

akerro wrote: post #119
Voxoff wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it happens but rarely does it happen exclusively in the West where there is a lot at stake. (Would be interested in counterexamples) International law, as an attempt to tame excesses of diplomacy, is something that has lifted up the West. It's brought order and prosperity. This move is yet another jenga brick taken out of the liberal West, thereby weakening the EU. The EU really needs to bother...

Just googling for: France breaks international law https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181017-amnesty-france-vi... Spain breaks international law: https://www.icj.org/spain-conviction-of-catalonian-leaders-v... Poland breaks international law https://www.ecre.org/human-rights-organisations-poland-viola... I don't think I need to search for any about USA, each of us remembers at least 5 from very recent history.

I mean I did explicitly say the West vs the West. And self-determination is definitely a special case so none of these apply.

Again, the US vs the West?

I'd be surprised if its never happened. But the ensuing uproar is part of the politics - It's an extra hurdle for countries in a political maneuver. And a broadly positive hurdle.

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