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Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by gdyuytgh »

krageon wrote: post #75
DecoPerson wrote: post #61

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Woah woah woah you can’t just offer ketamine to people! Think of the children! Edit: This comment is intended to contribute to the discussion as well as be in jest. It’s a legitimate issue: if music can have drug-like effects, should some music be classed as a drug and controlled as such?

It being the case that drug legislation is already a pile of shit and demonstrably not in the advantage of actual people, why would we make other things legislated just as poorly?

If people can get fun stuff for free, without putting in work, they wouldnt bother to do the said work.

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Post by diggernet »

todaysAI wrote: post #41

I always thought that there is a specific cadence or rhythm to the human mind and I would create some music (or sequence of tones) that would get people addicted and I would sell it on a per-listen basis and make trillions.

Good luck with that. It didn't work out so well for the creator in Arthur C. Clarke's "The Ultimate Melody".

https://archive.org/details/1957-02_IF/page/n71/mode/2up

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Post by silentguy »

deskamess wrote: post #84
stef25 wrote: post #31

Having not yet read the article I hope this is still relevant - for people who like music you can really lose yourself in ("trance inducing" is a bit cringey ...), check out Nusrath Fateh Ali Kahn. One of his most famous songs linked below but obviously his repertoire is huge and easy to find. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDfELfpumEE From Wikipedia: a Pakistani vocalist, musician and music director primarily a sin…

A legend. His core stuff is very powerful and his voice is up there. Going slightly tangential: There was a Bollywood song he did with Shreya Ghoshal (an angel in her own right). I kept listening to that song repeatedly for some reason; often on repeat. A month or two later I decided I had to wean myself off it - I actually felt it was affecting me in some way and I was not sure it was good or bad. Recently I came ac…

Which songs are you talking about? I would like to listen to them.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

Drakim wrote: post #127
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #62

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if you have perfection in a product, the only evolution possible is for it to become less perfect. People being people the best are not content with always doing the same thing, so they will experiment and move away, following other influences. The drumming may become great in other ways but not great in the way of inducing trance states the way it once way. Just my theory on why it might be that an old recording is…

Your point is technically correct, but it seems a bit preposterous to say that the old drumming music was flawless perfection in introducing these sort of effects, to the point where any change would by definition be a determent. How would you know that? How would anybody know that?

yeah, I wouldn't know, but if the old recordings seem better for inducing trance and the newer not I offer an explanation why that could be without the newer generation of Haitian voodoo drummers necessarily having to be worse drummers.

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Post by ChuckMcM »

malux85 wrote: post #37
ChuckMcM wrote: post #8

This would be a workable explanation for being able to "soul travel" while meditating. When I did the whole Trancendental Meditation thing back in the late 70's it was all about clearing your mind of everything except a repeating mantra. EEG's of people meditating show rhythmic brain activity typical of sleeping. If that is the case (and I'm not saying it is, just noting the potential path here) then it would suggest…

I’m curious why you stopped doing Transcendental Meditation? And do you do any other alternative / mind altering processes now? As someone very interested in Transcendental Meditation but unsure where to begin, any pointers?

I still meditate, it helps clear my mind. What I didn't do is buy into the whole program with its seminars and retreats etc.

When I was very much younger I was really curious about the claims of "mind over matter" types who claimed that the laws of physics could be changed to suit one's desires. A friend of mine had done the TM thing and she was enthusiastic and helped fund the intro / level 1 class for me (it was like $100 at the time and I considered that a LOT of money).

For me, the primary benefit of meditation is to quiet all of the 'noise' in my head[1]. Some of my best engineering designs have emerged after spending a couple of days alternately meditating and reading.

[1] Apparently some people don't have an inner dialog going on in their head, others are like me with a entire congress of competing dialogs all trying to be heard :-)

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Post by radicaldreamer »

cmehdy wrote: post #91
pmoriarty wrote: post #14

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I got interested in this and related research back in 2016 when I heard that Radiolab episode, and then went on to seek out 40 Hz tones on youtube, of which there are a great variety (other useful search terms are "Gamma", "Rife" and "Delta" tones), some "pure" and others with music underlying them or mixed with some other tones. I just sought out the "pure" ones, and sampled them for a while... None of them seemed t…

Six minutes in and nothing for me, for what it's worth. Thanks for sharing though.

Use headphones and turn the volume up... I didn’t notice anything either until I did that and then I noticed the slight jitters down my arms. Very odd (ymmv)

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Post by deskamess »

silentguy wrote: post #133
deskamess wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A legend. His core stuff is very powerful and his voice is up there. Going slightly tangential: There was a Bollywood song he did with Shreya Ghoshal (an angel in her own right). I kept listening to that song repeatedly for some reason; often on repeat. A month or two later I decided I had to wean myself off it - I actually felt it was affecting me in some way and I was not sure it was good or bad. Recently I came ac…

Which songs are you talking about? I would like to listen to them.

1 and 2 on this playlist[1] respectively. Warning: this is normal Bollywood stuff that hit a chord with me. This is not some ancient rhythmic single instrument sound that other links point to.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDetc8-f-F8

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by jhomedall »

seefer wrote: post #50

It's quite the leap going from brain rhythms mentioned in the research to anecdotal talk of audio drum rhythms isn't it? There's no mention of audio in that article. Brain rhythms in this context simply mean patterns of neural activity. this activity happens all the time, even in people who are profoundly deaf.

I'm surprised I had to scroll down this far to see this. The threads listed above this are all about music and sound, which don't have anything to do with the article.

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Post by Delk »

taneq wrote: post #39
dbtc wrote: post #29

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Fascinating. It sounds like the exact opposite of "mindfulness".

And interestingly, sounds pretty similar to the 'state of flow' that we also find so valuable.

I think it's different in that in a state of flow, you are intensely focused on whatever it is you're doing, and are able to maintain that focus without struggle.

In a "zombie" state, you may not really be focusing on anything at all, least of all what you're doing.

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