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Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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EDIT: I had a misled belief. Here's a better source: https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects... Ignore below... Wasn't the whole impetus for getting "medicinal" marijuana for the snacking? Seems like someone is talking out both sides of their mouth. Nonetheless glad to see additional evidence for fasting's multiple benefits.

The use of marijuana for chemo patients is to manage the extreme nausea that accompanies the treatment. It's not about the munchies per se.

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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> Essentially, fasting causes a switch in healthy cells from a proliferative state towards a maintenance and repair state.

Is this autophagy?

In this interview with Dr. Eileen White, Chief Scientific Officer at the Rutgers Cancer Institute, she mentions that certain types of cancer cells can actually use the effects of autophagy to survive.

https://peterattiamd.com/eileenwhite/

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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In case anyone else, like me, saw "pCR" and didn't know what it meant, I believe that it means "pathologic complete response". Not "polymerase chain reaction" which is all you get by googling.

It's really unfortunate people use overloaded acronyms like this without a definition.

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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Interesting study with, as always, a lot of caveats. The most we can take from this is that it's worth to study more, the effect is existing but not extreme. I don't get the submitted title here claiming that it protects from side effects. The study does not mention this at all, just that the side effects are similar despite omission of dexamethason in the fasting arm of the trial - it increases appetite, so makes se…

"Importantly, DNA damage in T-lymphocytes was less in patients who received the FMD in combination with chemotherapy compared to those receiving chemotherapy while on a regular diet"

Does this not qualify as a protective effect?

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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My wife is Stage 3, ++- (43 yo) and half way through the taxol phase of an ACT regimen; she is progressing well but I know she has the discipline to do a fasting diet if we thought it would help. Any thoughts on starting this mid-way through the treatment?

I'm not a doctor, but after reading Tripping Over the Truth: The Metabolic Theory of Cancer [0] I'd strongly suggest she start fasting, or, far better, order yourself a copy of the book (epubs available for purchase/torrent) and read it, decide for yourself. There are a lot of resources listed in the book for people who have cancer. I'm trying to get people to read the book. Average people, for sure, but also people…

Why is it that as soon as cancer comes up as a topic, people stop exchanging arguments and start selling books instead, where normally they would be paraphrasing and occasionally referencing something.

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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> I've gone as long as 12 days with nothing but water. This is dangerous and please don't encourage others to do only water fast. Pure water fast is dangerous beyond 4 days or so. You need to supplement minerals while on per-longed fast. Salt, magnesium and potassium are vital to regulatory processes in your body. When your body uses up all reserves it will not be able to sustain those processes. It is serious busine…

Interesting. Any studies that validate the first point? I recall research talking about how there’s little muscle wastage until day 21 in normal healthy adults. Keen to know if we have learned more in this space

for salt look up topics around:

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000394.htm

Magnesium and potasium main but not only function is to regulate heart beat. Lack of them might lead to arrhythmia and other complications.

Not sure about muscle loss.

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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Yes. But there are alternative healing ideas that fasting and juicing in themselves can cure cancer.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Please provide your extraordinary evidence. Ideally in the form of multiple strong, well-vetted and well respected studies in peer-reviewed journals. Otherwise I'll presume you're full of it.

Absolutely. Let's look at the claims.

What is the first claim though? Is it that extraordinary evidence needs to be provided for the claim that a poison (chemotherapy) is a cure for cancer?

You will likely say that there is evidence in "multiple strong, well-vetted and well respected studies in peer-reviewed journals".

But then I would question the authority of peer-reviewed journals. Do know about replication crisis?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778 : "According to a survey published in the journal Nature last summer, more than 70% of researchers have tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiments."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis : "a number of efforts have been made to re-investigate classic results, to determine both the reliability of the results and, if found to be unreliable, the reasons for the failure of replication."

Another reason I dismiss most scientific authority is on account of funding. If funding is controlled by government, the military and private corporations (as it is), then this triad can cooperate to fund or de-fund whatever studies they like.

To see what I mean about funding, we can look at my imagined idea that 'you want to prove the health benefit of cold potatoes'. First you can fund 10 studies. Let's say 2 support the thesis, 2 refute it and 6 are inconclusive. You can then further fund the 2 that support it. And rinse and repeat. Pretty soon you could have enough studies to create a whole new field exclaiming the wonder of cold potatoes.

Unfortunately, this really is how science works. Science is a money making operation, and is politicised. A common sense idea like fasting for cancer, or not eating carbohydrates to get rid of diabetes, has no economic benefit. Scientists themselves can work within the system with good intentions, but can be more or less unaware of the machinations and agendas at play.

If you want to talk about solutions, you would take a totally different tack. At present we have a sickness not a wellness industry. Companies get money from you when you are sick. The more sick you are, the better it is for their monetary return. The ideal patient is someone who will be ill for a long time, which is a perverse incentive. Really, you want a wellness industry, where if you are well, those ensuring your health get paid. As they are incentivised to keep you well, you should expect good advice - their financial well-being depends on it.

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

#138

EDIT: I had a misled belief. Here's a better source: https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects... Ignore below... Wasn't the whole impetus for getting "medicinal" marijuana for the snacking? Seems like someone is talking out both sides of their mouth. Nonetheless glad to see additional evidence for fasting's multiple benefits.

The use of marijuana for chemo patients is to manage the extreme nausea that accompanies the treatment. It's not about the munchies per se.

Noted, thank you

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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If it's a low protein diet, couldn't the lack of certain aminoacids which promotes cell growth (and by that, also cancer growth) also aid slowing cancer? Layman here, just popped into my mind.

Don't cancer cells also require massive amounts of glucose to survive?

I think you are referring to the Warburg effect:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_effect_(oncology)

Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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If there were ever a panacea, it would be fasting. The more tight and widespread the research becomes, the more that we prove what humanity has known anecdotally throughout civilisation. From being a Roman cure for epileptic seizures, through the integral practice in most religions, and to the 21st century where we start to prove that it increases both healthspan and lifespan. I find it quite interesting that somethi…

I should dig what people were saying about fasting in the previous eras. Of course it's well known how integrated with religion it was but it was never mentioned as a physiological lever.. more like an emotional/moral act.

Also it would be weird to see people in those days, allegedly not having access to the cornucopia of yummy food we have in 2020, going into fasting. Maybe more diseases on average made them realize that the less fed survived better ?

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