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Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by oblio »

ffpip wrote: post #63
oblio wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advertisers and security/privacy do work well together, from a certain point of view. As Jio, if I'd clone Zoom, I would add encryption, so that only I, Jio, would be able to analyze that traffic. Same thing with WhatsApp.

I meant security/privacy from the company in question. Jio. e2ee in JioChat was just not even implemented. They just copied whatsapp.

That's kind of bad, but I think that for regular users, it's a non-feature. They don't care. They only care about traffic not being snooped in along the way. They will trust the messenger company.

I'd imagine JioChat is encrypted in transit, isn't it?

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by ubermon »

ffpip wrote: post #66
fma wrote: post #19

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You can say the same about Facebook and Google in China...You can sideload or use VPN. Some do. Most don't. Blocking FB & Google ecosystems allowed for China to grow their own competitors.

You don't need a VPN here in India. Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 or DNS over https is enough.

I remember using this technique to get US content on Netflix while sitting in Canada

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by actuator »

Aperocky wrote: post #127
actuator wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not import restrictions, more like export restrictions, just to make the other suffer. Wiki infobox suggests that they just have 3% exports to India, they can choose to take that hit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China

Why impose export restriction when the other party is doing it with import restrictions to the same effect

Does app ban really have any material impact on citizens?

Not having access to medicines or say equipment used in your power plants will.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by magicsmoke »

Aperocky wrote: post #127
actuator wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not import restrictions, more like export restrictions, just to make the other suffer. Wiki infobox suggests that they just have 3% exports to India, they can choose to take that hit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China

Why impose export restriction when the other party is doing it with import restrictions to the same effect

India is imposing import restrictions on things they could make themselves, like software. Export restrictions would comprise things India can't make alternatives for, like electronics and pharmaceutical chemicals. The effect is closer to the US banning export of chips and foundry services to Huawei.

Unlike the US's tech export restrictions though, anything China makes India could probably find an alternative supplier for, just at a higher cost and lower volume. It'll still hurt, just not as much as being pressured by the US.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by _jgdh »

Aperocky wrote: post #127
actuator wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not import restrictions, more like export restrictions, just to make the other suffer. Wiki infobox suggests that they just have 3% exports to India, they can choose to take that hit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China

Why impose export restriction when the other party is doing it with import restrictions to the same effect

India's economy won't be affected by the loss of PUBG. But it will without certain critical parts of the manufacturing supply chain. I don't know what those parts are, but the Chinese govt will know. A good example of this in action is banning exports of rare earth metals to Japan in 2010, affecting Japan's electronics industry.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by eggsnbacon1 »

actuator wrote: post #95

I think this might be related to the Tibetan origin special forces soldier of Indian Army being killed in some recent altercation with PRC on their northern border.[1] I do think India is going on a slippery slope now. With Tiktok, one can even make a case of it being used to manipulate sentiments and being used for propoganda, but that argument can hardly be made for a game like PubG. It also brings into question wh…

India and China aren't exactly friends, I think its pretty reasonable to limit business ties of any kind. A sovereign nation has the right to ban any import, are you disputing that?

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by ubermon »

wtmt wrote: post #103

One thing I find amusing in this saga that's been playing out since the last few months is TikTok's reaction to being banned. When it was banned in India a couple of months ago, it didn't file any lawsuits claiming that it's not a threat to national security (though it has rejected such claims in the past). But when the U.S. announced a ban last month, TikTok sued the U.S. government "on the grounds that it was enact…

I think two important factors in play here, one is like what others said about better trust on the legal system in US to be relatively more independent; second I guess is just US market is too lucrative and significant to just let go.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by pranit10 »

mayankkaizen wrote: post #93
green-bottle wrote: post #5

Like all other internet bans in India I doubt this one will have any teeth. Everyone has a "Free" VPN app that they use to bypass these restrictions. Most people own Android phones where they can sideload apps downloaded from some third party APK website (of questionable trustworthiness) iPhones have negligible penetration in India so are not even a part of the equation.

This is typical HN mentality to assume that other people are comparatively well versed in technical aspects. 99% indians (may be a little exaggerated figure) don't have any clue about VPN. Most don't even know how to side-install any app. So government actions do have some significance.

Its safe to assume anyone who plays PubG is computer literate enough to use VPN.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by sudosysgen »

ffpip wrote: post #76
searchableguy wrote: post #71

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> Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data. That's almost everyone. Yesterday, I opened a brand new budget samsung phone. Despite not logging in anything and declining every box I could, it was automatically filled with invasive apps. It came with made in India sticker. At least with xiaomi, I can flash it with a custom rom and remove the bloatware. Many alternatives lock down the…

Samsung budget phones have unlockable bootloader too? Yes. I do know that. Even I use a custom rom on a redmi phone

It's more complicated than that, not always, and it invariably comes with restrictions.

Plus, the devices are pretty much just worse than Xiaomi's, so they don't get much attention from the ROM scene.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by sudosysgen »

Spivak wrote: post #77
searchableguy wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data. That's almost everyone. Yesterday, I opened a brand new budget samsung phone. Despite not logging in anything and declining every box I could, it was automatically filled with invasive apps. It came with made in India sticker. At least with xiaomi, I can flash it with a custom rom and remove the bloatware. Many alternatives lock down the…

I flashed my old Samsung phones a just a few years ago. Did something change and they finally lock the bootloaders permanently?

They are trying their best. There's always a chance of an exploit getting found, though. Happens pretty frequently.
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