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The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by jdmichal »

kbenson wrote: post #76

> The land south of Egypt, beyond the first cataract of the Nile, was known to the ancient world by many names: Ta-Seti, or Land of the Bow, so named because the inhabitants were expert archers; Ta-Nehesi, or Land of Copper; Oh, is that what Ta-Nehesi Coates is named after? I decided to look, and apparently his name is slightly different, Ta-Nehisi. What's weird just just how often he's miscredited with the wrong nam…

Note that those are specifically the "Egyptological" names. Ancient Egyptian did not write vowels, but it did write several semi-vowels. So those semi-vowels are transcribed as vowels, and the vowel "e" fills in as necessary elsewhere.

The actual written names are "tꜣ-stj" and "nḥsj".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language#Egyptologica...

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by jdmichal »

slim wrote: post #124
kbenson wrote: post #76

> The land south of Egypt, beyond the first cataract of the Nile, was known to the ancient world by many names: Ta-Seti, or Land of the Bow, so named because the inhabitants were expert archers; Ta-Nehesi, or Land of Copper; Oh, is that what Ta-Nehesi Coates is named after? I decided to look, and apparently his name is slightly different, Ta-Nehisi. What's weird just just how often he's miscredited with the wrong nam…

it's a transliteration from a language that's not written in latin alphabet. so all of the combinations you mentioned probably mean that historical region (and his name too, like you suspected)

It's worse than that. Ancient Egyptian only wrote consonants. Those are the "Egyptological" transliterations, which converts consonants to vowels and then inserts extra vowels to make them pronounceable to the (mostly British at the time) Egyptologists.

The actual written names are "tꜣ-stj" and "nḥsj". That is, /tʔ stj/ and /nħsj/.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language#Egyptologica...

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by nkingsy »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #45
rsynnott wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's probably fair to say that it's been ignored by the general public, but then so have most really old civilisations; in the popular imagination, there was nothing except Greece, Rome and Egypt until this side of 1 AD. > hinges on the current fad of 'Europeans are all racists and didn't appreciate a Black civilization', which is of course wrong. ... eh, until last century it was fashionable to attribute it to…

> in the popular imagination, there was nothing except Greece, Rome and Egypt until this side of 1 AD. Really? The Romans are known for their expansionism. Who were they conquering? Who was everybody fighting against in 300 ?

The Persian and Macedonian empires both reconquered what had been conquered by the Assyrian empire, and likely others before.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by danans »

Cactus2018 wrote: post #2

Recommend sources for human culture/civilization history from 10,000 B.C. to 5,000 B.C.? Most of the top search results and Wikipedia entries tap out on cultures prior to ~5,000-~3,000 B.C. Of course there are stand alone pages such as Neolithic_founder_crops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture Chalocolithic Period https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalcolithic

> Most of the top search results and Wikipedia entries tap out on cultures prior to ~5,000-~3,000 B.C.

This is mostly because the evidence that links places to cultures taps out before around 5000BCE. There is of course evidence of large scale settlements prior to that time, but we have little hard evidence about how those map to peoples or cultures, living or extinct, due to lack of artifacts that definitively tie them to a particular culture. After that, we are left with things like projecting population migrations from linguistic evidence.

Perhaps the closest we might find are the remains of 10-30k year old indigenous settlements in Australia, of which we can be fairly confident of at least the set of cultures that produced them.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by airstrike »

cool_dude85 wrote: post #30
airstrike wrote: post #17

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https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Nubian_(Civ6) Yeah, doesn't look forgotten to me https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Amanitore_(Civ6) > Kandake Amanitore ruled Nubia at the turning of an era. A powerful queen, feared by her enemies and beloved by her people, she was one of the last great builders of the Kingdom of Kush. Amanitore restored the Land of the Bow to its greatness following a period of turmoil. Her r…

Loading up gamefaqs.com Age Of Empires II Walkthrough to prove my point about human civilizations.

Age of Empires II didn't have a "Civilopedia". I didn't grab this off gamefaqs.com. The site I linked is literally sharing content from the game.

So not exactly a fair analogy, and I don't see how your snarky low-effort comment moves the conversation forward in any way.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by TheGallopedHigh »

sevensor wrote: post #70
CrackpotGonzo wrote: post #23

"Be, be-fore we came to this country We were kings and queens, never porch monkeys There was empires in Africa called Kush Timbuktu, where every race came to get books To learn from black teachers who taught Greeks and Romans Asian Arabs and gave them gold, when Gold was converted to money it all changed Money then became empowerment for Europeans The Persian military invaded They heard about the gold, the teachings,…

I'd be really interested to hear more about the literature of ancient Kush or Timbuktu -- what language it was written in, what kind of scholarly tradition it had. My education covered (at least superficially) Europe, Egypt, the Levant, Mesopotamia, India, and East Asia, but Africa south of the Sahara is a big blank spot... So I went and looked it up on Wikipedia, and it turns out that Kush had an alphabetic script.…

Here is a great podcast about ancient west Africa that you might enjoy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GfUT6LhBBYs

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by djitz »

arp242 wrote: post #6

> I first learned of Sudan’s extraordinary pyramids as a boy, in the British historian Basil Davidson’s 1984 documentary series “Africa.” This one seems to be on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X75COneJ4w8&list=PL6mz4AK-lT...

This series is amazing. Thank you for sharing

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by cbnotfromthere »

monadic2 wrote: post #83
elefanten wrote: post #58

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As expressed by sibling comments -- skin color is irrelevant to my point. If it's not skin color, it's "those people beyond the mountains" or "the river folk to the south" or "the Babylonians" or whatever. I'm talking about tribal/identitarian discrimination that ascribes essential natures/behaviors to "other" peoples. This narrowly-defined and elevated notion of racism along the lines of skin color, Atlantic slave t…

Edit: downvoting this without a response is pretty much against the guidelines, I am hardly distracting from the conversation here, and the downvote is not a "disagree" button. I put in a lot of effort to showing you why you have a shallow understanding of the topic; I'm open to being wrong. Xenophobia and racism are completely separate concepts, although xenophobia does underly racism. It's entirely possible to cons…

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Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by [deleted] »

scottlocklin wrote: post #103
monadic2 wrote: post #34

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I mean they literally invented race to enslave entire groups of people. And it's hardly like Europe stopped interfering or exploiting even with the 21st century.

"I mean they literally invented race" Who is "they?" Are you referring to some distinct race of people?

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Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by monadic2 »

scottlocklin wrote: post #103
monadic2 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean they literally invented race to enslave entire groups of people. And it's hardly like Europe stopped interfering or exploiting even with the 21st century.

"I mean they literally invented race" Who is "they?" Are you referring to some distinct race of people?

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