Adults will just buy them for the kids. I bet tons of stores will just ignore the law too.
I think this will happen too.
Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not just encourage. What we’re finding is that the government has to be authoritarian. China welded people into their homes to keep them from spreading COVID. They literally caged them like animals and threw them into trucks. Now Mexico is denying children potato chips. Think about universal healthcare and alcohol. How much money is spent on alcohol related issues? The best answer is to ban its sale. Same for to…
Or... how about we provide treatment for people who are abusing alcohol, drugs, etc? There are billions of people who can responsibly use alcohol. Banning it doesn't make any sense for those who aren't addicts.
Doesn’t matter. Look at those who try to ban guns and free speech. Millions use both responsibility every day. Besides science has shown little benefit to alcohol and tobacco and no benefit to junk food.
What we need is to ban cooking at home. Government soup kitchens. All consumption needs to be documented and controlled.
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#133This is a good idea, and the people in the comments are rightly pointing out sugar's problems. But just as problematic as sugar are vegetable oils which are in almost every packaged product you can buy at the grocery store. They cause all sorts of health problems because the vegetable oils are extremely reactive (due to being unsaturated fats and so having double bonds that can react with other molecules inside your…
*refined sugar, not all sugar.
sugar in a whole fruit aren't bad, the fibers in the fruit help your body break down and absorb the sugar over a longer period of time.
just don't eat refined food.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is absurd. Humanity isn't going to go extinct from climate change, and the causes of climate change are fossil fuels and how they allow us to support a large population. If everyone stopped eating meat you'd still have tons of unhealthy people and you'd still have climate change.
>Humanity isn't going to go extinct from climate change Seems like the most likely way right now. >Causes of climate change are fossil fuels Yes, and fossil fuels are used in livestock production. Through use of petrochemicals to produce feed and deforestation. 18% of GHG emissions are estimated to be from livestock and dairy production. This article covers a lot of the usage: http://www.docbrownscience.com/uploads/4…
I agree it contributes, but the problem is that fossil fuels are cheap and convenient. Getting rid of meat would delay the problem but not solve it.
I'm very skeptical that climate change can lead to extinction. Maybe civilizational collapse (I don't believe it will though), but there is no plausible path to extinction.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
> These products should be outright banned. This attitude is more dangerous than sugar.
What is dangerous about banning products with added sugar? I mean, I'm against it. A lot of traditional foods, like fruit preserves, have added sugar. But what is danger, exactly? People would just not have food that tastes as good...
The danger is not in banning products with added sugar, but in the government having the power to regulate what one may do with one's body. If I wish to drink beer, smoke cigarettes and drink/do coke, that is my decision.
The primary argument against that is that it puts strain on society to provide for people when they experience health issues from that. I have paid my entire life for social health programs and health insurance though, why? So I will be nannied until the age of 90, eating only approved healthy food and doing no activity that may be in some way risky?
If we are going to ban dangerous things which people do for no reason other than they enjoy it, should we go after scuba diving and mountain climbing too after we ban Snickers?
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#136Covid shows that governments who fail to encourage nutritious diets will end up with higher healthcare costs.
It’s not just encourage. What we’re finding is that the government has to be authoritarian. China welded people into their homes to keep them from spreading COVID. They literally caged them like animals and threw them into trucks. Now Mexico is denying children potato chips. Think about universal healthcare and alcohol. How much money is spent on alcohol related issues? The best answer is to ban its sale. Same for to…
That doesn't really go any way towards explaining why Canada, Europe or the Oceania[1] democracies have done so well in the crisis - nor does it explain how Brazil has done so poorly.
I think there is more counter evidence then supporting evidence for authoritarian governments being necessary for dealing with pandemics.
1. Please note - comparatively well, Canada, Europe & Oceania aren't doing perfect they're just doing significantly better than the states.
Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children
#137Covid shows that governments who fail to encourage nutritious diets will end up with higher healthcare costs.
So it's not controversial to suggest a poor diet leads to things like type 2 diabetes and heart disease, nor is it controversial to suggest that the novel coronavirus is much more deadly for people with preexisting conditions like type 2 diabetes and heart disease.
For some reason though, if I put those two things together and suggest people eat healthier during this pandemic, it's this incredibly controversial thing to say, at least where I live in the US.
Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children
#138Covid shows that governments who fail to encourage nutritious diets will end up with higher healthcare costs.
It’s not just encourage. What we’re finding is that the government has to be authoritarian. China welded people into their homes to keep them from spreading COVID. They literally caged them like animals and threw them into trucks. Now Mexico is denying children potato chips. Think about universal healthcare and alcohol. How much money is spent on alcohol related issues? The best answer is to ban its sale. Same for to…
How long until it's you the one that needs to be banned?
I sincerely hope there is someone there to stand for you.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
We tax alcohol and cigarettes because they are bad for you, but are totally fine with binge eating as much junk food as you like. Obesity is a massive epidemic. Heart attack and stroke are the number one killers, with obesity the highest cause. I'm all for putting warning labels on food showing the potential problems of overconsumption.
I bet if you ask any random person in the US if McDonald's is bad for you, they will say yes. I don't think the obesity epidemic is from lack of information.
This is incorrect.
Honestly - I can't blame anybody who could be found lurking, let alone posting on hackers news to think there's no way that this isn't common sense. However, it's not. It's really, unfortunately, very far from it in the U.S.
I now cannot easily find it (at least in a brief search on Google) because of recent bullshit regarding the keywords, but a few years back, there was a medical case that briefly made news. Woman in her thirties, not mentally deficient (by any diagnosis anyways), job holding, etc - was hospitalized at near death from a variety of issues that had gradually become quite severe.
Cause of the issues? She'd, by her, family, and friends accounts, not drank plain water in years, pushing near a decade. The majority of her fluid intake, that entire time, had been Coors Light (sparingly sodas, other sugary/alcoholic drinks that weren't plain water). Her justification as to why she had no idea this could cause any bodily harm is because it was "light"
It's bad. Truthfully, I'm happy for you that you get to live a life where you don't know/haven't been exposed to how bad. But, it's bad and I don't see it getting better any time soon.
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I feel like we were always taught that taxes were significantly better at curbing usage compared to bans or limits - the classic example being the cigarette tax
Cigarette tax is a scam to raise money from selling drugs. Cigs have inelastic demand. In Germany they hit a point where a price rise (in the name of health) resulted in reduced smoking and less tax collected and they immediately wanted to reduce tax. That caused a scandal so they changed tack to homogonize tax across the eu which, incidentally of course, would reduce tax in Germany. Tax is charged on cigs because it…
* Cigs have inelastic demand.
* In Germany they hit a point where a price rise (in the name of health) resulted in reduced smoking and less tax collected and they immediately wanted to reduce tax.
Can't both be true...