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California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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The article doesn't give a lot of details. The grid shed ~1000 MW of load and delivered ~46000 MW, so the outage was in proportion about 2%. Not great but it puts events in perspective. If you're concerned about this, don't charge your Tesla before 10pm.

I lost power but don’t have a Tesla. Your tip doesn’t help me.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Strange reporting that people were "believed" to have been blacked out. We lost power yesterday in Sunnyvale from 5-9pm. Very interested in more info on the "hundreds of thousands" because it seems like the cuts were fairly limited. There was enough power to keep the fridge running but thats about it.

Lost power in the north peninsula from 9pm-12am. A warning would have been nice. We signed up for notifications via text, and we didn’t receive any.

PG&E isn't going to notify you because they aren't making the call. If you want notifications, install the CAISO mobile app, "ISO Today" on iOS. I got notifications from that app yesterday hours in advance of the outage.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Lost power in the north peninsula from 9pm-12am. A warning would have been nice. We signed up for notifications via text, and we didn’t receive any.

Yup, same. No warning. I left the house in my AC car and went out for ice cream

Discounted ice cream due to the power loss?

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Why is this only happening in California?

It’s a huge state with a lot of people with a massive heatwave covering a lot of it. It’s easy to rag on California lately but it’s still American’s living there and I feel bad for them.

What makes California different than Texas? I don’t have a dog in the fight, I live on the east coast.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Lol and I made fun of my country when this happened in Iran. Good job America.

When we didn't have power in Iran for 2 hours I used to think it's such an atrocity. It never happened for more than 5-6 hours though. I had power outage in LA for ~17 hours last month.

Yep! Same here. This is hilariously bad for a state like California.

I wonder why I got downvoted.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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This my be a dumb question, but if I have solar (no power wall or batteries) will I still have power during a rolling blackout?

Some solar inverters can do it without batteries. But if a cloud passes over your panels you might get near zero watt.

Considering that yesterday's outage began at ~18:45, rooftop solar would have been generating 0-20% of its nameplate capacity.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

#137

The article doesn't give a lot of details. The grid shed ~1000 MW of load and delivered ~46000 MW, so the outage was in proportion about 2%. Not great but it puts events in perspective. If you're concerned about this, don't charge your Tesla before 10pm.

I lost power but don’t have a Tesla. Your tip doesn’t help me.

If you had one, your individual choice would not prevent your particular electric service from going out, so no big deal.

It would be neat if the utilities had the ability to selectively shed car chargers, clothes dryers, and suchlike loads. I imagine they have to make the choice at a much more coarse level, like at a distribution substation.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Agreed. Instead of using cheap money to drive up asset prices it would be nice if it actually got used for something useful.

This is because one of our two political parties doesn’t believe that government spending should exist, and is iffy about the concept of government overall. Because of that, the only body able to respond to crises is the Federal Reserve, and the only lever they have is the money supply. We’ve had multiple trillion dollars worth of infrastructure repairs we need to do and nearly sub-zero borrowing rates for the last d…

The GOP has no power in California, though, and that’s been true for over a decade.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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I would highly encourage you to reassess where you are getting your information about the world if you genuinely believe this. I’m seeing this sentiment expressed more and more, and it seriously concerns me. If you look at the data, almost any data which compares the US to other countries, you’ll see that the US is at or near the top. This isn’t blind patriotism. Seriously if you are feeling like the US is becoming a…

> I would highly encourage you to reassess where you are getting your information about the world if you genuinely believe this. I have traveled extensively throughout the world and my assessment was based on my personal experience. But... > If you look at the data, almost any data which compares the US to other countries, you’ll see that the US is at or near the top. Not so. The U.S. is a peer to Serbia in infant mo…

Amusingly, the Freedom House analysis breaks out India and Indian Kashmir separately. If the USA could move its worst behavior into a separate line item, then it would probably do better too. Your corruption index puts the UAE, a federation of absolute monarchies, ahead of the United States. Hong Kong scores at the top of your economic freedom index, even as billionaires disappear from its streets because they displeased Beijing.

Rankings that use a metric complicated enough to give the compiler heavy discretion on the order (like your 2-5) are compiled by people promoting certain ideals. Major powers rarely score at the top, regardless of whether they "deserve" to, because that defeats the political purpose--if you're trying to promote X, then telling the world's most powerful country that they're also the most X has little benefit, just encouragement for them to get complacent and backslide.

In objective rankings, the USA's health care system is indefensible, unless you're both wealthy and in genuine need of unusually high-tech care; but that infant mortality is still just 1.3x Canada's. The American education system seems to be well above average; per your link the USA ranked 8/48 and 11/48 for science and math respectively, out of 48 countries that themselves are mostly well above the global average.

It's reasonable to hold the USA to a higher standard than other countries, given its outsize influence and resources. Indeed, the impulse among both Americans and others to criticize America's real faults, sometimes in hyperbolic terms, is probably one of the major forces pushing to correct them. Anyone who net believes the American standard of living--especially for rich Americans, but for poor Americans too--isn't spectacularly above the global average is dangerously mistaken, though.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a huge state with a lot of people with a massive heatwave covering a lot of it. It’s easy to rag on California lately but it’s still American’s living there and I feel bad for them.

What makes California different than Texas? I don’t have a dog in the fight, I live on the east coast.

Texas generates more power than it needs (which is good because I seem to recall they also aren't tied to grids of neighboring states?). California doesn't. California banks on the probability that it can import power from Oregon, Washington, Nevada, and Arizona, and that all those states won't have one big correlated, synchronized demand peak, which of course is just stochastic. Sometimes you get the worst case.
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