How do google engineers stand for this shit?
Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
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#132This is why I use and support Firefox. It's so sad to see Mozilla doing so badly right now when Google gets away with Evil.
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#133Wow - top posts are conspiracy theories. "The only reason to do this..." "This is a security issue..." Google has millions / billions of users. From a security standpoint the focus should be entirely on the root domain, that is the only really meaningful root of trust. If you are talking about a security issue - the KEY security issue is ANY lack of clarity around root domain. "Showing the full URL may detract from t…
> their focus on things like ... security ... helped them become absolutely dominant I don't think Chrome's security features had anything to do with its ascension. Chrome took off because it was fast and had a good UI (iirc it had the ability to drag a tab from one window to another, a while before other browsers did). The average user knows nothing of the security features of their browser.
Chrome took off because Google leveraged their position in another area (search engine) in order to push it. Exactly what people were concerned about with Microsoft and Windows/IE.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google rewards developers who use AMP with better search positioning than even a plain HTML page
Yeah. But AMP was an initiative for speeding up the web.
AMP has done nothing for speeding up the web in general; in fact I know web properties that implemented AMP instead of focusing on core speed issues with their main site.
It's also notable that AMP projects almost always originate in an SEO strategy, not engineering.
Google was on the right track by including side speed as a signal in ranking. From Google's perspective, that became problematic because it started disproportionately punishing sites that run lots of ads... AKA some of Google's most important customers. AMP is a site speed initiative that is more compatible with Google's corporate strategy.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes, I know the 95% out there who don't even know what a browser is but only know Chrome's icon gives access to the web won't understand any of this I find it fascinating how some people in tech bubbles think everyone else is a stupid sheep who can't possibly understand such incredibly complex concepts like what a "browser" is.
Depends. I have seen a lot of people who don't understand such things. And I have seen teachers who think using a different editor to write a program might affect output.
> I have seen teachers who think using a different editor to write a program might affect output.
Isn't this fairly common for Notepad for windows though? Weirdness and unexpected output due to ansi encoding rather than utf-8 IIRC - it may be fixed now, but i vaguely remember something about this
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#136Remember folks, Apple has been doing this in Safari since 2014. And there's been zero uproar over it at all. I don't understand why people suddenly hate this just because it's Google.
For most users, total focus on the domain name is a security feature. For 99% of users, what comes after the domain name might as well be gibberish. I mean, it is a majority of the time.
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#137Something I haven't seen anyone here bring up yet: many URLs are meaningless to humans past the domain. For an example, look at the top of this page. The only semantic meaning in the URL for this post is `news.ycombinator.com`. The rest, `item?id=24156986`, is meaningless to a human. (But, of course, meaningful to HN's backend.) A lot of (most?) of the URLs on the web are not semantic . They're naked application look…
"many URLs are meaningless": many, but not important ones such as URLs from Reddit and GitHub.
Excellent point. But the information I want before going to a URL is different from the information I want while there. But if we could reliably separate the two, I don't think I would object to this kind of a UI change in principle.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are going back to AOL days. That didn’t work out so well for AOL in the long run. It’s kind of crazy to me you can’t do marketing now without at least discussing Google and Facebook these days. Edit: at least you knew you were the customer with AOL and paid them with clear terms for access.
Do you or anyone else have a video or screenshots of what you're talking about? Or is there a specific name of the product where AOL was doing this?
Instead of browsing via URL, companies could buy "AOL keywords". A user could just put in a keyword, like "dog food", and AOL would send them to a particular dog food page. In the days before good search engines, this was very convenient even though it was obviously pay-to-play.
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#139This is why we should jump over to Firefox. Today! And by us I mean we who know that this is a bad idea. Mozilla is suffering and this is our last chance to not let Google and chrome have total dominance over the web. Mozilla copies Chrome a lot, but they need more market share to be able to get a say here and take the point of us power users. I have been using and contributed to Firefox for years, and it is a great…
Google renewed their deal [1] and Mozilla is still going to get 400-450mil per year until 2023 at least. Yet they gutted firefox servo, devtools and MDN teams.
Using Firefox from now on is just feeding the troll called Mozilla management. We need to seek another open source privacy oriented browser or have a serious foundation like Apache fork Firefox.
[1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search...
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I encourage everyone to use Firefox on Android just for the one killer feature of being able to install the full desktop ublock origin plugin.
With Firefox axing the entire Servo team along with a bunch of other technical people, I am very afraid for its future in terms of technical development. Especially for the macOS version, that so far has always been the red-headed stepchild. It’s got me in quite a pickle since the only alternative that is privacy friendly and cross platform (macOS, Linux, iOS, Android) is Brave, and Brave, despite good or at least de…
The way to guarantee a future without an alternative browser is to not use an alternative browser.