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Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by tristor »

hindsightbias wrote: post #128
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cambridge is not representative of reality outside of Cambridge.

Double-paned windows are not allowed in several historic neighborhoods I’ve lived or worked in. Pretty sure they’re banned in much of SF.

That's a fit of irony considering that many of the places with the most stringent regulations in this aspect are also places which have taken other actions ostensibly to help the environment. Reducing the energy demands of basic living seems to be more beneficial than nearly any other action that could be taken, such as banning plastic bags and straws.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by Chickenosaurus »

rohan_shah wrote: post #91
ipnon wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It must become simple for a bribery captured in evidence to be prosecuted. This is anarchy otherwise.

It's very hard to capture. All they do is - keep silence. If you understand the cues and pay up yourself, your work will be done otherwise you can keep waiting forever.

It's trivial to capture if there is a will. Send an agent who offers a bribe, fire the worker if the bribe is accepted.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by refurb »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #96
acomjean wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Small town governments in USA at least are very strict with their zoning codes Even cities in the US. I live in a "historic District" in cambridge ma in a big ugly brick building with 35 units. 3 of us wanted to change windows, as they're original 1940s and terrible. So we go to get a permit. The permit department sees "exterior change" looks at the address, and sends it to the historical commission. They won't sign…

Cambridge is not representative of reality outside of Cambridge.

Its similar in many US cities with historical districts.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by acomjean »

tristor wrote: post #131
hindsightbias wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Double-paned windows are not allowed in several historic neighborhoods I’ve lived or worked in. Pretty sure they’re banned in much of SF.

That's a fit of irony considering that many of the places with the most stringent regulations in this aspect are also places which have taken other actions ostensibly to help the environment. Reducing the energy demands of basic living seems to be more beneficial than nearly any other action that could be taken, such as banning plastic bags and straws.

It is ironic.

But, in the end we got our double paned windows.

Interestingly, Harvard's HouseZero was at the same historical committee meeting we went to, with a request for "Triple panes". They were approved for everything they asked for..

I wonder how well its working..

https://snohetta.com/projects/413-harvard-housezero

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/12/harvards-hous...

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by rohan_shah »

ipsi wrote: post #60
rohan_shah wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually there are almost no pre defined industrial zones. There are very few and most of them are bought out. I can hire an lawyer or agent to this work, but the cost is very very high. I decided to do it myself to understand the depth of this mess.

Having now done all of this yourself, do you think the amount they charge is reasonable, given how incredibly painful it is to do this on your own?

No, I don't find the amount reasonable because of two reasons:

1) They charge so high because there are few players with so many internal contacts. So this is a monopoly or oligopoly market just taking advantage of the system. I mean it is hard because of these people. These people lobby to keep such systems in place.

2) It is unreasonable for any government, especially in a developing country to make so many demands of the illiterate and poor population. If such a situation continues, poor people will never be able to manufacture anything.

This creates a social division almost alike slaves and masters. Alike the Soviet System of the Elite Aristocrats, Their friends in rich, non-competition businesses and the government and the serfs and peasants.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by rohan_shah »

DenisM wrote: post #122
de6u99er wrote: post #105

This sounds worse than Eastern Europe. My wife once had interactions with Polish authorities and the first official told her immediately what amount of bribe money will be necessary to get it done quickly, contrary to everybody involved sitting it out as long as possible. When she asked why the bribe is so high, the government employee explained to her whom of his colleagues he has to pay himself to get it done quick…

> you would have already received your approval if you were willing to pay a bribe There is a law that prohibits American citizens from bribing foreign officials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act

The author is an Indian i.e. Myself. Thanks.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by rohan_shah »

de6u99er wrote: post #105

This sounds worse than Eastern Europe. My wife once had interactions with Polish authorities and the first official told her immediately what amount of bribe money will be necessary to get it done quickly, contrary to everybody involved sitting it out as long as possible. When she asked why the bribe is so high, the government employee explained to her whom of his colleagues he has to pay himself to get it done quick…

It's great to find out about how it works in Eastern Europe.

My father would have and has always done what you mentioned. Just pay it up and continue. And I agree totally with it.

But anyway due to Covid-19, the construction activity isn't going to start anytime soon. So I ave decided to play it out completely and see how far and deep this mess is.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by rohan_shah »

haltingproblem wrote: post #87

Hernando de Soto did exactly this work almost 2 decades ago. He documented how many steps and weeks it takes to register a property or start a business. His thesis is that this cumbersome process limits capital formation in a business which then limits being able to leverage it via a loan and hence limits the size of small enterprises. The same goes for property since most small entrepreneurs use their home as collat…

Wow! Thanks for mentioning the work of Hernando de Soto. I had never heard of the work before but will surely read the book now.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

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Post by willyt »

TBH, apart from the bribes it mostly sounds pretty similar to the UK. Perhaps this person would have had an easier time if they had hired a professional to deal with it for them.

I often visit sites with potential clients and I have to tell them sorry, I can try, but you will pay a lot of fees to me and the local government and you will likely never get permission to build here.

Off the top of my head, here are some permissions / consultations you could need to build a private house in a UK, most sites wont require all of these at the same time but many sites will have a least one need for a specialist site survey of some kind:

Planning permission (Regulation of the impact of your build on the community): - Roads department consultation - Water supplier consultation - Wastewater consultation with water authority and EPA - Archaeological service consultation - Natural heritage / ecology. - Historic environment consultation. - Coal authority (abandoned mines) - Contaminated land check - Landscape capacity study - Full set of plans, sections and elevations and report to show: - Materials - Relation to existing buildings - Effect on landscape - Land use - Room use - Placement of windows / doors in relation to existing buildings - etc...

Building control / Building warrant (Safety of the finished building): - Radon assessment - Structural engineers certificate. - SAP (energy use) calculation - Full set of plans, sections and elevations showing compliance with all building regulations - Consultation with Fire Authority - etc...

CDM regulations require the client to appoint a competent builder / architect / engineer etc Party wall agreement ....and some more I can't be bothered to type out here....

This whole process typically takes a minimum of 6 months before you get permission to break ground. Some of the consultations are a one line response saying 'no objection' or they can require you to get specialist surveys done, this can drag things out longer.

For a factory the process will have several more levels of detail for each of the points above. E.g each point under planning permission might require a specialist consultant to visit the site, make tests or surveys and perform desk studies and then the submission of, I don't know, say, a 20 page written report with their findings.

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