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Google reportedly peeks into Android data to gain edge over third-party apps

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Android run on GNU/Linux, problem is not in the kernel but user land apps will track you

It doesn't run GNU, or at least not much of it.

It doesn’t run any of it. Much of the architecture of the OS seems to be built around avoiding the GPL in the kernel. That’s part of why older devices can’t get updates.

Re: Google reportedly peeks into Android data to gain edge over third-party apps

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> collects sensitive Android user data Looks like it’s basic metrics like how often the app is launched. It is not sensitive (user content of the apps would be sensitive). It is an antitrust issue but barely a security/privacy issue.

Didn’t HN collectively loose their s..t when Microsoft did something similar with Win 10 telemetry?

Google and MS are now both actively working on making Orwell's 1984 closer to reality, along with several other tech companies. I think people were disappointed when MS made a big leap in that direction with win 10 but it doesn't mean Google and Android aren't shit for their big part.

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We desperately need a standardized open source phone. The raspberry pi of phones. Linux may be a better platform than AOSP. Android and iOS were designed for control first. Control over apps, control over the store, over what users are allowed to do. If you don't need any of that to make money why not run a regular Linux distro. Opens source phones will never be mainstream. Same as desktop Linux. But it would be nice…

HN loves to talk about how Open Source and distributed system are going to change the world. Apache and Linux were open source. The Internet was designed to be distributed. We failed. We still had centralization. We still have SPoF... The issue is economic, not technical. When corporations like Amazon and Google have severely unfair competitive advantages we're going up in this situation again and again and again. Th…

> The only way to change this is to reform tax law.

I'm curious what kind of tax reform you have in mind?

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That's funny, maybe Huawei phones are going to have a market niche in the west!

Yeah, Google's rootkit replaced by CCP's one.

How's one plus play into this?

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This is a weak argument to defend your employer. I'll use a version of AOSP without the data harvesting spyware baked in, although Google seems to be keen on shutting aspects of it down.

You have the option to do AOSP at least. What do you have with Apple ? Why don't you apply the same yardstick to them ? Can you flash your own bits on an iPhone ?

At least with iPhone no one was under any illusions about the walled garden. Google seems to have adopted EEE from the Microsoft playbook. Even if we say, well they created android, it's more they embraced the enthusiasm of a community who appreciates openness.

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You have the option to do AOSP at least. What do you have with Apple ? Why don't you apply the same yardstick to them ? Can you flash your own bits on an iPhone ?

At least with iPhone no one was under any illusions about the walled garden. Google seems to have adopted EEE from the Microsoft playbook. Even if we say, well they created android, it's more they embraced the enthusiasm of a community who appreciates openness.

Just put "EEE" everywhere. Google brought Android, AOSP is still open and 99% of Android users don't care about whether this is on github or not.

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This is a bizarre post considering that Apple collects very similar data via their analytics (there's an opt-out you need to select on your iOS device to opt out) and Apple Store itself (which counts downloads and knows about every update, install and uninstall of an app on your iOS device with no alternative option for you as a user). If you really care about your privacy in this case, Apple devices won't save you e…

No the difference with Apple is they don't make money off of your data, they make money selling you devices. Google needs to know about your data in order to sell it or ads or whatever to third parties.

They don’t need your data to show you ads. DDG has a really nice post about that. They do it because they can and because they can sell the data itself. That sucks.
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