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Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

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Mixed use zoning is just about the best case situation for everyone. - Less reliance on cars, which results in less parking, which results in less traffic... it becomes self-perpetuating. - Better walkability - Knowing your corner store clerk or at least having a rapport with them - Healthier citizens, due to them walking everywhere (Go to NYC and see how few overweight people you see... not many unless they're touri…

Here's a crazy idea: no zoning. Let people decide what they want to do.

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

#132
I live in the suburbs. In a radius of 200m from where I live, 2 minutes on foot, here are some of the businesses there are:

- Car accessory workshop for aftermarket accessories

- Car mechanic

- Car tire shop (they check, patch, and change your tires)

- Bycicle and bike repair shop

- Car electricians (3)

- Car wash (3)

- Carpenter

- House appliance shop

- Travel agencies

- Accountant

- RV home maker

- Shop to print motifs on shirts/clothes

- Opticians

- Sauna (3) one with a gym, a swimming pool, etc.

- Showers

- Bathroom

- Kitchenware shop

- Barbers (2)

- Bakeries (4)

- Pharmacists (2)

- Dentist (2)

- Pediatrician

- Generalist MD

- Gynaecologist

- Endocrinologist

- Medical analyses lab

- Insurance company

- Printing shop

- Children's clothes shops

- Adults' clothes shops

- Internet café

- Coffee shops

- Grocery shops

- Tailor

- Pastery shop

- Kiosques

- Jeweler

- Electronics shop

- A blacksmith

- A small theme park for kids

- Food joints (pizzerias, burgers, grills, others)

- Protective equipment shop

- Office supplies/Stationery/Chairs/Tables, etc.

- Electric motors repair shop

- Minimarkets (3)

- Gyms

Others:

- Primary school

- Middle school

- Police station

- A football stadium converted to a gymnasium

Bigger:

- Cheese factory

- Yogurt factory

- Other industrial stuff

- Car dealerships

Farther (300m): fresh produce market, pharmacy, and a bunch of other shops.

Farther (10 minutes):

- A green space of about 350 acres

The catch: a lot of them live there. By there I mean they own the house. The shops are on the street level, and they live in the upper levels. Some others live nearby, as in are either the owner's neighbor from a few houses away or 5 minutes down the road. But you can pretty much do a lot without moving.

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

#133

Mixed use zoning is just about the best case situation for everyone. - Less reliance on cars, which results in less parking, which results in less traffic... it becomes self-perpetuating. - Better walkability - Knowing your corner store clerk or at least having a rapport with them - Healthier citizens, due to them walking everywhere (Go to NYC and see how few overweight people you see... not many unless they're touri…

Restaurants, accountants, lawyers, and such may do fine with mixed use zoning, but retail simply can't compete without economy of scale.

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

#134

Imagine how much better your life would be if one house on your suburban cul-de-sac was a sleepy pub. I can't tell you any of my neighbor's names. I've been here ten years. But if I could walk for 6 minutes and get a beer, we'd all know each other's names. We'd all have babysitter coverage, neighborhood watch, a reason to keep the car in the garage, and slightly bigger bellies, overnight.

You might not have as big a belly if you need to walk a few minutes to get the beer and go home.

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

#135
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Not just afford - often time those suburbs specifically barred non-whites from owning property. Additionally red-lining and racist loan practices forced that wealth gap to grow. But I think that's separate from the car issue, mostly. Originally satellite communities had commercial services - local shops and the like. But those were phased out due to a lack of demand, I think due to societal shifts that were egged on…

Are you speculating or do you have specific examples? It sounds far fetched. Not to mention that whites are not even a majority in many of the wealthy suburbs. Many of Asian and Indian families.

Diversity in suburbs is a very recent development. Look at the historical demographics of the suburb you probably live in. It's great that it's changing but suburbs are not a product of seeking to preserve diversity.

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

#136

How did we slip away so far from this being fairly obvious? Cities have worked well this way for hundreds of years. Maybe the industrial revolution made cities too unpleasant? Were we too spoiled by the automobile industry and government roads? White flight from cities into the suburbs?

I could give a long, detailed answer, but basically, the 1950s happened.

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

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Heck yes I want to move away from socioeconomic classes that could potentially put my daughter in harms way. We lived in a lower class neighborhood and while my two year old daughter was playing with a shovel in the front yard a drug deal went bad at the house across from us and the kid (he was maybe 16) started shooting his gun into the air. I’d stopped his mom from strangling him two years before that. Before that,…

There are other options to stark neighborhood socioeconomic divisions. Imagine if everything was averaged out a bit more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-07-15/the-desig...

Yes, this was really effective at defeating murderous criminal gangs in Athens. Except it was never a problem, with violent crime way below European average, let alone US.

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

#138

How did we slip away so far from this being fairly obvious? Cities have worked well this way for hundreds of years. Maybe the industrial revolution made cities too unpleasant? Were we too spoiled by the automobile industry and government roads? White flight from cities into the suburbs?

Because if you moved to a new town you were in a different school district. The great migration to the suburbs happened right after schools were desegregated in the US. White Americans moved to the suburbs to avoid their children from attending school with black children. Milliken v. Bradley was the last nail in the coffin. The return to cities has coincided with white people having less children and children at olde…

This started happening already in the 1950s before desegregation. The rise of suburbs is directly related to the boom years after WWII and how much development happened outside of cities, where throwing up a new subdivision was much cheaper, and the booming auto industry absolutely loved new demand for commuting.

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

#139

Mixed use zoning is just about the best case situation for everyone. - Less reliance on cars, which results in less parking, which results in less traffic... it becomes self-perpetuating. - Better walkability - Knowing your corner store clerk or at least having a rapport with them - Healthier citizens, due to them walking everywhere (Go to NYC and see how few overweight people you see... not many unless they're touri…

Here's a crazy idea: no zoning. Let people decide what they want to do.

That is crazy. I do not want a concrete plant to open next to my house. Or a Yoko Ono Scream Therapy franchise :)

But yeah, the insane detail that many cities have in their zoning plans is stifling.

The link[7] monkeypizza included elsewhere in this thread is what I'd like to see as the norm

[7] http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html

Re: Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods

#140
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just afford - often time those suburbs specifically barred non-whites from owning property. Additionally red-lining and racist loan practices forced that wealth gap to grow. But I think that's separate from the car issue, mostly. Originally satellite communities had commercial services - local shops and the like. But those were phased out due to a lack of demand, I think due to societal shifts that were egged on…

Are you speculating or do you have specific examples? It sounds far fetched. Not to mention that whites are not even a majority in many of the wealthy suburbs. Many of Asian and Indian families.

https://sundown.tougaloo.edu/sundowntowns.php can give you many examples.
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