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The TikTok War

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Re: The TikTok War

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Post by KineticLensman »

nix23 wrote: post #43
chvid wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also deeply fascinated by TikTok. It is really next generation social media. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Hacker News all look seriously dated in comparison.

>Hacker News all look seriously dated in comparison Yes please make a movie about your next it projekt ;) I even hate repair-videos on youtube, it's slow and lame, the fix-it manuals are 1000s times better (since i know what a torx is and that most screws open counter-clock-wise)

> I even hate repair-videos on youtube, it's slow and lame,

Here are some TikTok tutorials on light painting [0]. I'm not saying that I like them, or that they are good, but they are incredibly pacey compared with the YouTube equivalents

[0] https://www.tiktok.com/tag/lightpainting

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by stronglikedan »

rvz wrote: post #89
bstar77 wrote: post #10

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I was a bit critical of my wife using TikTok until I realized that she replaced the negativity of Facebook with something that, in its current form, is pretty harmless. It's replaced rants and frustration with laughter and positivity.

Not sure if you're aware of the fact of what was going on in Hong Kong and the loss of its autonomous status due to the national security law. Facebook and TikTok are no different to privacy, but TikTok can give all of that data and the CCP can access it. But of course it doesn't matter to you because 'its pretty harmless'. For Hong Kong citizens, it's much worse. They are being identified and arrested in the hundred…

> But of course it doesn't matter to you because 'its pretty harmless'.

That doesn't seem like a very charitable interpretation of OP's comment.

If a very small fraction of global users may come to harm as a result of (not by) using an app, then that's pretty much the textbook definition of "pretty harmless".

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by scottLobster »

redblacktree wrote: post #90
xapata wrote: post #57

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Indeed, I know many Chinese people who are afraid of the Chinese state.

It looks like they may also be brigading this post. Two downvotes pretty quickly on my comment. Maybe I'm out-of-touch with Hacker News norms, but I didn't think I said anything that warrants downvotes. Edit to add: I don't make this post to complain about downvotes. The point was the potential brigading, since we're talking negatively about the Chinese state.

Yeah, it's been a pattern on recent posts concerning China that any comment describing CCP malevolence gets instantly downvoted, and often responded to with the same extremely weak what-aboutisms and other non-arguments, accusations of Sinophobia and such. So either there's a rather unintelligent group of Hacker News users who just show up to downvote and post bad arguments on every article criticizing China and then disappear, or we're seeing some of China's finest 50 cent warriors in the comment section.

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by giantrobot »

Pandabob wrote: post #19

I guess the sentiment that TikTok should be sold is gaining ground. It's pretty clear from a regulatory perspective that Facebook won't be allowed to buy it and probably Google neither. The app also seems to be kind of a wonky fit to Amazons, Microsofts or Apples portfolio (although Amazon does own twitch, so who knows). I can't make a solid argument for it, but I wouldn't rule out either Netflix or Disney making a b…

If TikTok were to be sold, the new company would still have a EULA clause stating they'll share data with partners. One partner will be ByteDance or a wholly owned subsidiary. So the same information will flow into the CCP panopticon.

The only way that wouldn't happen is if the new TikTok owner incorporated in a jurisdiction that forbid such a relationship. That seems unlikely since ByeDance could pay the spun off TikTok dump trucks full of money for the data.

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by kube-system »

YarickR2 wrote: post #98
addison-lee wrote: post #91

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Yes, they get rid of content from "ugly, poor or disabled users" so you have an even "better" experience. So not only is it Chinese spyware, it is an awful company too. Source: https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us...

Do you have instagram account ? If yes - are you subscribed to ugly, poor or disabled people ?

Ugly, poor, and disabled people are absolutely capable of producing interesting content.

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by La1n »

cameronbrown wrote: post #97
msbarnett wrote: post #87

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> Ah yes, because the US is well known for its Muslim concentration camps, social credit scores and surveillance panopticon. Perhaps I simply don’t consider the Hispanic concentration camps, private credit scores that still gate hiring, access to healthcare (via hiring) and renting and apartment, and surveillance panopticon powered by Google, better?

Are you serious? The US does not have Hispanic concentration camps. It DOES have a private prison problem, but not death camps.

Concentration camp =/= Death camp

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by addison-lee »

YarickR2 wrote: post #98
addison-lee wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they get rid of content from "ugly, poor or disabled users" so you have an even "better" experience. So not only is it Chinese spyware, it is an awful company too. Source: https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us...

Do you have instagram account ? If yes - are you subscribed to ugly, poor or disabled people ?

Yes, not all of my friends are attractive and rich.

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by mercer »

skizm wrote: post #114
kpennell wrote: post #11

I'm not sure how I got sucked into Tiktok but I was quickly hooked. There's something so refreshingly playful, authentic, and raw about so much Tiktok content compared to Instagram. Instagram (explore/discovery) is generally pretty people with pretty things in pretty places. That was fun for a while but it's just not that interesting after a while. I don't need to see more pretty pictures of women doing yoga. I don't…

> There's something so refreshingly playful, authentic, and raw about so much Tiktok content compared to Instagram. Isn't that because Tiktock's content is manually curated (for better or worse)?

I thought so too, but if the article is to be believed it's algorithmic / AI (with at the very least Chinese censors doing /some/ degree of curation).

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by chosenbreed37 »

teekert wrote: post #88
bstar77 wrote: post #36

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This is one of the most depressing comments I've read in a long time.

Yeah, actually I wish HN would make me laugh and dance, this comment makes tiktok sound pretty good!

> Yeah, actually I wish HN would make me laugh and dance, this comment makes tiktok sound pretty good!

LOL. I find HN highly entertaining. Well...not to the point of breaking into a dance...but entertaining. Quite often I just jump straight to the comments.

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by addison-lee »

msbarnett wrote: post #102
addison-lee wrote: post #93

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No doubt spyware is bad from either country, but TikTok was caught trying to suppress content from "ugly, poor, or disabled" users. Do you still support the app knowing that? https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us...

I didn’t say I supported it at all. I merely said I don’t see how it’s worse than the major US social networks. Like say Facebook, which has been caught multiple times allowing employers and housing advertisers to illegally exclude groups like Black people, from seeing job postings and apartment listings. Again, I don’t know that what TikTok has been shown to be doing is any worse.

Sorry, didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
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