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There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by rasz »

yangminded wrote: post #27
fsflover wrote: post #4

I hope it will finally force Apple to become more climate-friendly. Their scores in phone repairability are disappointigly low: https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability .

I don't think you understand how much easier it is to repair an iPhone compared to any other phone on the market (apart of niche products like the Fairphone which does a great job!). If you open an iPhone, you will see a very well ordered and packaged arrangement of components. Most Android phones are a hot mess compared with it. If you need a component for an iPhone, you can get it easily. What I'm saying is not tha…

Yes, stacked double decker PCB is just the innovation we needed in repair business! ...

Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by xxs »

_ph_ wrote: post #51
StavrosK wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, there is an enormeous amount of technology integrated into a smartphone or compact laptop, but my wristwatch contains over 100 moving parts in a tiny volume I'm not sure what the point here is, a CPU contains 50 billion parts in a tiny volume, it's impossible to fix things this small if they break. If a capacitor or resistor burns, you can probably open up your PC, look at the motherboard, find the faulty comp…

Your comparison misses the point. A modern smartphone or laptop consists of dozens of parts. Of course, no one can fix an error on a CPU. I don't even ask to fix proplems on a PCB. But a laptop should not consist of a single PCB, but be split into CPU/GPU, memory, storage, battery. At least these components should be replaceable for a skilled worker, especially those which age with time, as the battery and ssd-storag…

many (incl. myself) people have no issues with the pcb and soldering on them, provided the entire thing is not potted in epoxy.

Soldering SSD and RAM is another issue, which makes standard components useless (mostly on purpose)

Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by rasz »

princekolt wrote: post #13
fsflover wrote: post #4

I hope it will finally force Apple to become more climate-friendly. Their scores in phone repairability are disappointigly low: https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability .

Every android phone in that page has a score lower or equal to all the iPhones. This has to be a joke, right? Example: Galaxy S20 Ultra [3/10]: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung+Galaxy+S20+Ultra+Tea... iPhone 11 Pro Max [6/10]: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+11+Pro+Max+Teardown/1... But sure, lets keep bashing Apple because that gives us all the internet kudos, am I right?

This is Apple fault, because other manufacturers just started to imitate their build style, poorly.

Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by ginko »

_ph_ wrote: post #24

Whenever repairability of modern electronic devices is discussed, I have to look at my mechanical wristwatch. Yes, there is an enormeous amount of technology integrated into a smartphone or compact laptop, but my wristwatch contains over 100 moving parts in a tiny volume. And still, every trained watchmaker can open and service it. It requires specialized tools, but those have been avialable to watchmakers for hundre…

>A time traveller could buy a current Rolex and have it serviced in 1950, possibly even in 1850.

That's because mechanical watches are an outdated design. Good luck to them trying to service a quartz watch.

Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by rasz »

mrtksn wrote: post #18
fsflover wrote: post #4

I hope it will finally force Apple to become more climate-friendly. Their scores in phone repairability are disappointigly low: https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability .

Apple is surprisingly repearable and is a major factor driving device prices in the poorer countries. There are shops everywhere that would fix your iPhone at very reasonable prices. People expect to use the device for 3-5 five years since they pay multiple salaries to buy it in first place and pay it through the years. If that’s not environmentally friendly, I don’t know what it is.

Its te other way around. Apple products have the most third party repair support directly because they are so expensive. It makes more sense to repair $600 phone than $150 one.

Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by m0xte »

encom wrote: post #111
m0xte wrote: post #72

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I'm really not bothered by this. While I appreciate the right to repair, I don't think a lot of stuff is repairable with any reasonably easy to obtain equipment these days. It's limiting all repairs to FRU replacement. I can rework everything down to 0402's and MSOP packages but BGAs and things like that, forget it. We really should be fighting for better consumer rights legislation in our respective countries where…

>but BGAs and things like that, forget it. Sure. But things like batteries should be replacable in all devices. It's a consumable item, and it shouldn't even be counted as a repair at all. The fact that modern electronics, and especially phones, is designed to be disposable is infuriating. And Apple says they care so ooh much about the environment, but wants you to throw your headphones in a landfill when the battey…

Completely agree there. With respect to the earphones I think Apple etc should buy them back at a percentage of the original cost and have recycling targets that that are independently audited.

Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by burntoutfire »

mywacaday wrote: post #32
yangminded wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understand how much easier it is to repair an iPhone compared to any other phone on the market (apart of niche products like the Fairphone which does a great job!). If you open an iPhone, you will see a very well ordered and packaged arrangement of components. Most Android phones are a hot mess compared with it. If you need a component for an iPhone, you can get it easily. What I'm saying is not tha…

You might be able to get apple to repair it at an exorbitant cost relative to the price of the part. Apple dies not provide spare parts to third party repair shops. If you can't repair an item for a reasonable cost regardless of how easy it is it's still not repairable.

Third-party shops use refurbished parts from dead phones, supplied by companies which specialize in this. Still, I believe it should be illegal to sell a device a not sell the parts required for its repair.

Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by xxs »

nolok wrote: post #82
stinos wrote: post #80

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Again, if you buy a Dyson that follows EU norms it still works great. Bit off topic perhaps, but in my experience: Dyson does not necesarily work great nor handles well nor does last particularly long. Ok this is only anecdotal from my experience and 2 friends (Animal pro models or similar) but still.. Main complaint: it's overengineered/designed to the point it degrades usability. The handle is about twice the weigh…

I'll be entirely honest with you I used that name because it's the only one I know of a main brand worldwide. I myself use a French brand. Maybe my exemple wasn't very good, sorry for that.

Dyson is an expensive brand but that doesn't mean a high-quality one.

Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by [deleted] »

_ph_ wrote: post #24

Whenever repairability of modern electronic devices is discussed, I have to look at my mechanical wristwatch. Yes, there is an enormeous amount of technology integrated into a smartphone or compact laptop, but my wristwatch contains over 100 moving parts in a tiny volume. And still, every trained watchmaker can open and service it. It requires specialized tools, but those have been avialable to watchmakers for hundre…

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Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff

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Post by theandrewbailey »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #33
_ph_ wrote: post #24

Whenever repairability of modern electronic devices is discussed, I have to look at my mechanical wristwatch. Yes, there is an enormeous amount of technology integrated into a smartphone or compact laptop, but my wristwatch contains over 100 moving parts in a tiny volume. And still, every trained watchmaker can open and service it. It requires specialized tools, but those have been avialable to watchmakers for hundre…

Apple seems to be one of the worst offenders in terms of repairability of their devices. You can watch e.g. Louis Rossmann's videos on Youtube, he goes into great detail on how Apple tries to make it impossible for anyone except themselves to service their laptops, even going as far as to restrict market suppliers from selling specific microchips (that were not invented by Apple) to anyone but Apple. I imagine this w…

I watched one of Louis' videos[0] yesterday where he doesn't think Apple's ARM transition won't make things harder. He mentions that CPU failure is rare, and replacement CPUs aren't easy to get today, because they are salvaged from other machines, and can't be ordered from places like Newegg or Amazon. Almost all of his repairs involve components that aren't the CPU.

[0] https://youtu.be/T_2LnFAGypM?t=175

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