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Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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I wonder how many companies in the world are basially built on warm words without any real value behind. I made the experience that a lot of people don't really care if a company has positive revenue streams anymore, they don't even know what a balance sheet is. They simply invest because other people do. And those other people invested because people before them did. This new style "invest billions now in a lossy st…

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Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

#133

I wonder how many companies in the world are basially built on warm words without any real value behind. I made the experience that a lot of people don't really care if a company has positive revenue streams anymore, they don't even know what a balance sheet is. They simply invest because other people do. And those other people invested because people before them did. This new style "invest billions now in a lossy st…

The EY point is interesting. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but when I worked there, a lot of care was put on audit clients as the partner(s) signing off the work had effectively unlimited liability, and could lose pretty much all their money in a worst case scenario. Unfortunately audit work, where the company decides on their auditor, has an in-built conflict of interests. If the auditor is too harsh/rigorous…

It's a double edged sword for Audit companies. On one hand if they get hard on auditing, their clients may not keep them for longer but on the other hand if they stay soft and more scandals like these happen under their watch then the genuine clients may not keep them because they don't do auditing properly and find issues earlier.

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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The EY point is interesting. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but when I worked there, a lot of care was put on audit clients as the partner(s) signing off the work had effectively unlimited liability, and could lose pretty much all their money in a worst case scenario. Unfortunately audit work, where the company decides on their auditor, has an in-built conflict of interests. If the auditor is too harsh/rigorous…

> If the auditor is too harsh/rigorous, then they risk losing the audit How is this a thing ?

There are certain practices that a company does, and various auditors have different opinions on it. For example, in PCI there are ways of interpreting certain requirements: and when you choose an auditor, you want one that agrees with your approach, and don't want the one that insists on different approach.

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

#135

I wonder how many companies in the world are basially built on warm words without any real value behind. I made the experience that a lot of people don't really care if a company has positive revenue streams anymore, they don't even know what a balance sheet is. They simply invest because other people do. And those other people invested because people before them did. This new style "invest billions now in a lossy st…

How can you find out about who is auditing a company?

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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This looks really bad for BaFin, they basically treated the Financial Times as criminals for blowing the whistle over the last few years.

>This looks really bad for BaFin, they basically treated the Financial Times as criminals for blowing the whistle over the last few years.

It's going on, with a variety of companies, every day. The entire system is beyond corrupt. Regulators are siding with frauds instead of investigating them.

A major red flag of corporate fraud is attacking journalists and blaming "short-sellers". Have these entities ever caused the demise of a legitimate company?

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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> If the auditor is too harsh/rigorous, then they risk losing the audit How is this a thing ?

Because it is an absolute race to the bottom (on price) when it comes to Big 4 audit. There is really no distinction or difference in services provided between the firms. You can practically switch from EY to one of the other three (if they don't mind excluding themselves from consulting work) overnight. Disclaimer: work for Big 4 but in tech consulting, not audit.

OTOH it was the Big 5 until Arthur Anderson gave up its license due to the Enron fraud.

So there's an incentive to audit correctly.

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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post #135

I wonder how many companies in the world are basially built on warm words without any real value behind. I made the experience that a lot of people don't really care if a company has positive revenue streams anymore, they don't even know what a balance sheet is. They simply invest because other people do. And those other people invested because people before them did. This new style "invest billions now in a lossy st…

How can you find out about who is auditing a company?

They have to sign the books that its done properly.

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/deutschland-warum-unsere... [Translated from German] Christian Schwarz-Schilling had been Post Minister under Helmut Kohl since 1982 and launched the German mobile phone network at the end of the 1980s. His political understanding of infrastructure can be seen in a disturbing fact: Until a few hours (!) before he was sworn in as Post Minister - Schwarz-Schilling was involved in a c…

More recently, Germany's insistence to go all in the hydrogen economy has the same flair.

Hydrogen is a backup plan, and a sensible one at that. Germany doesn't have much in terms of lithium and other precursors for batteries, besides we have an awful lot of old rural non electrified train routes where the cheapest option by far is to go to hydrogen.

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is an absolute race to the bottom (on price) when it comes to Big 4 audit. There is really no distinction or difference in services provided between the firms. You can practically switch from EY to one of the other three (if they don't mind excluding themselves from consulting work) overnight. Disclaimer: work for Big 4 but in tech consulting, not audit.

OTOH it was the Big 5 until Arthur Anderson gave up its license due to the Enron fraud. So there's an incentive to audit correctly.

There's the same kind of incentive not to be the closest moth to the lightbulb, and yet....

The race-to-the-bottom/die-at-the-bottom reward structure only prevents disaster if the racers are invested for the long term. The agents in charge will have a high tolerance for that kind of risk if they hope to retire/sell before the money train jumps the tracks. I don't know if that's a hazard this industry is currently falling into, but it's a likely failure mode if nothing sufficiently enforces agents taking a long view.

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