If you see the cops, start recording • Hacker News Board

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by threatofrain » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:10 PM UTC

rectang wrote: post #9

> But before action was taken by city leaders, Buffalo police lied about the incident. In an initial statement, the department said that a person was arrested "during a skirmish with other protesters," and that "during that skirmish involving protesters, one person was injured when he tripped and fell." The video clearly refutes the statement, showing that there was no skirmish around the elderly man, and that the of…

Also, does anyone remember Chicago's black site?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-poli...

Where are the good men and women, and what is the sum of their good acts in the grand scheme of things?

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by toss1 » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:11 PM UTC

ngngngng wrote: post #29

dominotw wrote: post #15

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I carry my insta 360 with me but dont' wear it. People can start wearing gopro if the want to record without being conspicuous.

I think I'll go buy gopro stock before their inevitable pivot to making inconspicuous body cams for people to wear every day.

yup, & perhaps Google Glass was merely a bit ahead of it's time and not quite the right product-market fit...

any one of these still need to automatically stream to a secure location

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by driverdan » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:11 PM UTC

neilv wrote: post #127

werber wrote: post #2

I almost always wear a shirt with a pocket so I can record without it being obvious.

My layperson understanding is that there might be legal implications of the "without it being obvious" part. For example, I don't know whether that could be a problem in Massachusetts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_call_recording_laws#...

That's for audio, not video. If you don't record the audio it wouldn't apply. If you do you shouldn't hide it to be safe.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by mulmen » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:11 PM UTC

staticassertion wrote: post #30

chrisco255 wrote: post #21

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Cops carry guns because the situation can always get out of hand. Violent criminals still exist in society. EDIT: the ignorant people claiming average police officer does not deal with violent criminals have obviously never worked as a first responder. They deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. The cops in St. Louis,…

How much of our police force deals with legitimate violent crime? The vast majority of police do not need guns. edit: > hey deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. Can you back this up? Statistics I've seen do not support your claim, and put violent crimes under 5% of police investigations.

How many interactions do police have in a week? If the number is 20 or more then 5% becomes a common occurrence.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by adambyrtek » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:12 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #64

tbabb wrote: post #32

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Plenty of departments in other countries do not carry guns and do their jobs just fine.

Plenty of departments in other countries do routinely carry guns, including in Italy, Spain, France and Germany. The first time I ever saw a submachine gun was at a train station in Germany, it was shocking to see cops walking around as routine so heavily armed like it was no big deal, despite an obvious lack of threat anywhere. You have to solve both sides of the gun equation for a disarm to work in the US, because…

Specialist cops with machine guns were deployed at train stations and airports in case of a major terrorist attack after a couple of them took place across Europe, not to deal with "regular" crime, so the situation is very different.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:12 PM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #12

footnipple wrote: post #5

First of all. Thank God for the police. Thankfully there are men and women that are willing to serve in this role because the Thin Blue Line is a very real thing. There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. Having said that, absolutely have a dashcam/recording device in your car. I do and it has saved me from getting a very big fine in addition to providing ho…

Thank you for the advice footnipple. Soon I will be able to beat innocent protestors and minorities with impunity like a god fearing American. Definitely, the police force is a place where an individual can make a difference and is not an institutional force so ferocious that even the mayors are afraid of them.

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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by eloisant » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:13 PM UTC

travjones wrote: post #4

Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

On most Android phones after 3 fails the fingerprint is disabled. So touch it 3 times with your pinky or any finger that you didn't registered and that will do the trick.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by dang » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:14 PM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #12

footnipple wrote: post #5

First of all. Thank God for the police. Thankfully there are men and women that are willing to serve in this role because the Thin Blue Line is a very real thing. There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. Having said that, absolutely have a dashcam/recording device in your car. I do and it has saved me from getting a very big fine in addition to providing ho…

Thank you for the advice footnipple. Soon I will be able to beat innocent protestors and minorities with impunity like a god fearing American. Definitely, the police force is a place where an individual can make a difference and is not an institutional force so ferocious that even the mayors are afraid of them.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, regardless of how strongly you dislike or disagree with what someone else said. That comment being heavily downvoted is an indication that a lot of community members don't agree with it, but they didn't then proceed to break the site guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by footnipple » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:14 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #48

footnipple wrote: post #37

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I respectfully disagree. I think the looters/insurgents are causing the chaos.

Have you been out in any of these protests? I have. I'm not just repeating media coverage — I'm telling you what I've seen with my own two eyes, and what people whom I personally know have experienced.

Yes I have. Right in the thick of it. I've seen a lot of destruction at the hands of some very bad people.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by mamurphy » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:14 PM UTC

gootdude wrote: post #89

pjc50 wrote: post #35

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They resigned in protest at being held accountable: https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203?s...

They only resigned from the task force, because their union would no longer pay the legal fees related to the protests. "The union representing Buffalo police officers told its rank and file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests which began Saturday in downtown Buffalo and have continued on and off, according to one source. The union is upse…

Would anyone do differently in their shoes? It sounds like they volunteered for a task force, and would be facing individual liability with no assistance from their union if sued for any work resulting from staying on the task force.

If you volunteered to program the Foo system at your job, and your company announced that you would be individually liable for any losses anyone suffered for your further work on Foo system, would you keep volunteering to program Foo or would you look to work on other projects?