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Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by idoby »

tayo42 wrote: post #28

What's with the cynicism in this posts? They're trying to make a point and bring awareness. Who cares how hard it is. At least they're doing something. To give them credit they're making a political statement at work when we're told not to talk politics at work.

Because they're being hypocrites: they're not putting skin in the game, they're not resigning, they're just virtue signaling. So they don't actually care about what FB is doing.

This is why they're being dismissed while Tim Bray received mostly applause.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by pembrook »

baskire wrote: post #6
ditonal wrote: post #3

Walkouts will achieve nothing, but the tragic part of the story is Silicon Valley engineers are sitting on a massive amount of power to affect real change IF they collectively organize, which they have various irrational hang ups about doing. Zuckerberg does not care if 50% of his engineers skip a video meeting. He would greatly care if he found out 50%+ of his SREs were going on strike. But the word union is stigmat…

Some of us have been in unionized industries prior. It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers. Right now engineers have incredible leverage. What do they gain by a union. Don’t like what Facebook is doing. Quit and work elsewhere. There’s plenty of jobs available

> It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers.

You do realize all of these things are standard at any large tech company already?

Commoditizing labor into pay bands is standard HR policy for all large companies (see levels.io). And people who get promoted tend to have more seniority with the company.

I’ve also worked at multiple FAANG companies, and low performers are absolutely not fired. You’d basically have to steal something or molest a coworker before they even think about firing you.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by jlebar »

Lx1oG-AWb6h_ZG0 wrote: post #77

What is their end goal here? I certainly don’t want Mark Zuckerberg or any of his employees making decisions on what is considered newsworthy, especially on really important stuff like this. Even if you don’t personally like what is being said, the fact that it _is_ being said - and who is saying it - is an important point for people to know. The next time, it may be your own opinions that they’ll censor: Facebook ha…

Isn't the context also important for people to know?

Like, if the President of the United States is saying something that's factually incorrect and might cause people e.g. not to register to vote (because they expect every Californian will be getting a ballot), is that context not also significant?

Or, hypothetically -- but really if you think at this point that this is a stretch, come on -- if Trump claims without evidence on November 3 that he was the victim of massive voter fraud and the election was stolen, and calls for his supporters to take up arms against their state and local governments, should that be broadcast without context or commentary?

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by jlebar »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #109

Private companies must never be the arbiters of truth on the internet. Zuckerberg is doing the right thing, against huge internal resistance. You'd think Americans, out of all countries, would understand this.

If you say something, and I say, here's some evidence that you're wrong, does that make me an arbiter of the truth on the Internet? I mean, how is what you did (saying something) any different from what I did (also saying something)?

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by fjh »

elcomet wrote: post #126
baddox wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even then, how much does he care? How many of his mansions does he stand to lose?

He'll then be replaced by shareholders. So he cares.

Facebook famously has dual-class shares that give Mark Zuckerberg a majority of the votes. The shareholders can't make him do anything he doesn't want to do.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by Kiro »

edoceo wrote: post #54
MattGaiser wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seize the means of production! You realize that means your business too?

Obviously and eventually. Shipmate before self and all.

You're not just sacrificing your business. If what you wish for would happen you would be placed in front of an execution squad.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by tayo42 »

cambalache wrote: post #111
tayo42 wrote: post #28

What's with the cynicism in this posts? They're trying to make a point and bring awareness. Who cares how hard it is. At least they're doing something. To give them credit they're making a political statement at work when we're told not to talk politics at work.

They dont have a god-given right to have all their actions applauded just because they work for a FAANG. For many people this amounts at best to an empty gesture, and at worst a hypocritical take because if you were OK with all the fiascos of that terrible terrible organization you wont get now brownie points by setting today a BLM signature in your OOO reply.

Yeah this comes off as overly cynical, they don't have to burn facebook to the ground to make a point. I don't see how something no matter how small is just like doing nothing. Their actions made the news. Realistically you cant just go quit your job. People do have tipping points, maybe this is finally it. Maybe enough people are finally coming together and uniting around this cause. Maybe they thought they could make change before, we don't know what was happening behind the scenes. Humans are complex creatures especially in social situations, i think its harsh to judge them like this. Your post is one of the posts assuming a lot and making very cynical statements for no reason.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by tayo42 »

vinhboy wrote: post #91
tayo42 wrote: post #28

What's with the cynicism in this posts? They're trying to make a point and bring awareness. Who cares how hard it is. At least they're doing something. To give them credit they're making a political statement at work when we're told not to talk politics at work.

On Reddit there were a lot of "why don't they just quit their job" comments. I am just rolling eyes really hard. To be fair, when I was younger, before I had all these adult responsibilities, that would have probably been my answer as well.

Reddit's been terrible lately. the "discussion" on there is dominated by extremes and immaturity, im worried it's not just young kids that don't know better. A rant for another time though...

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by ManlyBread »

jlebar wrote: post #134
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #109

Private companies must never be the arbiters of truth on the internet. Zuckerberg is doing the right thing, against huge internal resistance. You'd think Americans, out of all countries, would understand this.

If you say something, and I say, here's some evidence that you're wrong, does that make me an arbiter of the truth on the Internet? I mean, how is what you did (saying something) any different from what I did (also saying something)?

You are merely trying to have a discussion; you aren't a third party with a power to alter or silence the ones you deem to be wrong

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

jlebar wrote: post #134
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #109

Private companies must never be the arbiters of truth on the internet. Zuckerberg is doing the right thing, against huge internal resistance. You'd think Americans, out of all countries, would understand this.

If you say something, and I say, here's some evidence that you're wrong, does that make me an arbiter of the truth on the Internet? I mean, how is what you did (saying something) any different from what I did (also saying something)?

In that scenario you're a regular participant in a discussion, presumably as another user of a platform, standing on equal footing with others. This NOT what this is about!

If you're the owner of the platform, and prominently inject your POV, thats starting to get problematic. I understand the impulse to do that, but people aren't thinking about the 2nd order effects.

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