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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by konart »

I've been using linux distros (~5 years of Ubuntu and ~3 years of Arch) before switching to macOS somewhere around 2013-2014. And now years later I'm thinking about moving back. But every time I'm think about this I start with digging about current Linux situation and every time I realise than it is still a horrible system for anything outside of work, especially if you can't really do without a decent UI\UX.

Apple's ecosystem is also an issue. iOS + macOS is still much better than anything on the market (no alternatives really).

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by [deleted] »

nsxwolf wrote: post #28
lol768 wrote: post #9

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The set of possible operating systems to consider does not contain two items.

I find Linux to be a usability nightmare. Weird cut and paste behavior, difficult to resize windows, terrible trackpad support. macOS and Windows will have to get a lot worse before I switch.

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

pier25 wrote: post #83
qppo wrote: post #79

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It's surprising that they don't improve the developer experience for their own developers using their own tools, including hardware.

Maybe internally they are using a different version of macOS?

It’s basically the same ones you’re running, possibly a couple builds ahead and with all the security features turned off.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by parhamn »

nromiun wrote: post #2

> This is not just for files downloaded from the internet, nor is it only when you launch them via Finder, this is everything. So even if you write a one line shell script and run it in a terminal, you will get a delay! > Apple’s most recent OS where it appears that low-level system API such as exec and getxattr now do synchronous network activity before returning to the caller. Can anyone confirm this? Because hones…

I can confirm that executing a trivial script takes 20-200ms longer on the first run. Using 10.15.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by formercoder »

konart wrote: post #131

I've been using linux distros (~5 years of Ubuntu and ~3 years of Arch) before switching to macOS somewhere around 2013-2014. And now years later I'm thinking about moving back. But every time I'm think about this I start with digging about current Linux situation and every time I realise than it is still a horrible system for anything outside of work, especially if you can't really do without a decent UI\UX. Apple's…

PC + WSL + somewhat illicit OS X VM has been a dream for me as a former Mac user.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by goatinaboat »

armatav wrote: post #117
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #72

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Still doesn't give you a programming environment, unless you want to do bash.

How does that even make sense? It’s an OS, go grab a Desktop Environment and download nvim, VSCode or whatever.

How does that even make sense?

Because that was the experience on those old machines. Switch it on, straight to BASIC prompt in a second or so. If you want to program it’s frictionless. And you can’t break it because BASIC is in ROM.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

qppo wrote: post #79
pier25 wrote: post #46

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> IIRC there was no dedicated macOS “task force” like the one on iOS It's not surprising. Macs are less than 10% of Apple's revenue. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/30/apple-2q-2020-earnings/

It's surprising that they don't improve the developer experience for their own developers using their own tools, including hardware.

Apple uses the same tools you do. They just might not be using it like you are; you can find a lot of features that clearly have no reason to exist outside of Apple nonetheless shipping with their software.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by callinyouin »

qppo wrote: post #79
pier25 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IIRC there was no dedicated macOS “task force” like the one on iOS It's not surprising. Macs are less than 10% of Apple's revenue. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/30/apple-2q-2020-earnings/

It's surprising that they don't improve the developer experience for their own developers using their own tools, including hardware.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've determined that developers will generally put up with a bad experience in order to have access to the massive iOS market.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by unown »

As someone living in China, this is my result when I connected to my VPN (this is my normal life, thus I can visit sites like HN):

> Hello

> /tmp/test.sh 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 5.746 total

> Hello

> /tmp/test.sh 0.00s user 0.00s system 79% cpu 0.006 total

And even if I didn't connect to my VPN:

> Hello

> /tmp/test2.sh 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 1.936 total

> Hello

> /tmp/test2.sh 0.00s user 0.00s system 78% cpu 0.005 total

That's just ridiculous and unbearable.

Apple should provide a way to disable this notarization thing, and the user should still be able to enable SIP while disabling it.

additional information:

- macOS version: 10.15.4

- terminal: iTerm2 3.3.9

- didn't install any "security" software

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

coldpie wrote: post #52
Nextgrid wrote: post #29

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> I am so glad I decided years ago to leave closed operating systems behind. The problem is, there's nothing else out there. Everything is going to shit in one way or another. Windows is now a disaster, Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving. Mac OS was the last bastion of somewhat good, thoughtful design, user experience and attention to detail and now they've gone to shit too.

I think the fact is there simply isn't a solution that works for both the "layperson" and highly technical people who want to do development. Laypeople cannot be trusted to admin their machines, but experts need access to those bits. Leaving a backdoor to real admin access for the experts just means laypeople will abuse those backdoors and mess up their machines again, with dire consequences for the entire planet. Yo…

Chrome OS?
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