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matz1 wrote: post #102
take_a_breath wrote: post #92

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Provide data that shows it is a larger risk. Without that data you are arguing based on ideology not facts. The thing about not working is that we have government mechanisms to help those people. We can beef up social security, unemployment benefits, or direct payments. Then people can go back to work afterwards. Work will always exist. It exists even now with a “closed” economy. The thing about dying is that it’s pr…

>We can beef up social security, unemployment benefits, or direct payments If you give people money for not working, who are going to work then ? Money will become meaningless if you can't use to buy stuff.

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Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by c0nducktr »

matz1 wrote: post #80
take_a_breath wrote: post #76

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So, no actual data? The solution is to risk even more lives by sending people back to work? Again, I’d like to see the data behind that calculation. If you’re interested in people’s lives, maybe we can work on universal healthcare, increasing minimum wages, or guaranteeing sick-leave?

So you want to risk people life by not allowing them to work ?

Every time someone responds to you, you pivot.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by smcl »

JeanMarcS wrote: post #122
smcl wrote: post #86

Did this open up focussed on a tweet by a "Melissa A" with a reply by Elon Musk saying "True" for anyone else? Took me a few seconds to realise that I needed to scroll up to see the actual linked tweet (literally just the words "FREE AMERICA NOW"). I tried on a few browsers with the same behaviour, looks like this is deliberate .

Well if it’s the case I’m sorry about that. I just copy pasted on my iPhone when I saw it, so may be the URL change when you scroll ? In any way it was not deliberate

No no no I don’t mean that you did this - you used the correct URL for the tweet.

I meant that this looks like another weird Twitter UX decision. And it seems this is on Desktop (so FF, Chrome, Edge), I just looked on mobile and it was fine.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by matz1 »

take_a_breath wrote: post #124
matz1 wrote: post #119

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If think you at risk then you stay at home. If you force other to stay at home you too violates the personal rights of those individuals.

The Patriot Act violates my personal right to secrecy. Stop lights violate my personal right to cross intersections as I please. And on and on. Welcome to civilized society, sorry it's such an inconvenience.

Yes, In a society, a right is being uphold because the side who support it, successfully fight and defend it.

>The Patriot Act violates my personal right to secrecy. Stop lights violate my personal right to cross intersections as I please. And on and on.

You don't have those right because you fail to successfully fight and defend it

Thats why elon musk is making the tweet, to fight and defend his rights.

Welcome to society, sorry it work that way.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by matz1 »

take_a_breath wrote: post #130
matz1 wrote: post #102

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>We can beef up social security, unemployment benefits, or direct payments If you give people money for not working, who are going to work then ? Money will become meaningless if you can't use to buy stuff.

==Money will become meaningless if you can't use to buy stuff.== I don't follow this line of thought. We already give people money for not working (examples are social security and unemployment benefits). None of that has made money obsolete. Why would a temporary measure in the midst of a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic? Why don't I see people make this same argument about businesses getting money from the government? W…

Ok tell me then, let say the government give people money for not working then why would people then want to work on let say grocery store where you suggest its risky ?

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by dr_dshiv »

happytoexplain wrote: post #79
dr_dshiv wrote: post #60

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I'd be happy to rationally engage with any downvoters. Or is this just emotional?

Why the implied insult? Do you have a more complete reason to believe the downvotes are irrational?

I don't mean to insult, sorry. But the politics around this are very real and there are intense emotions. I think it inhibits the discussion of reasonable approaches and tends to lump positions together unfairly.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by tsbinz »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #83
mgoetzke wrote: post #55

He might just want to do it as e.g Germany does it. i.e. basically opening most smaller and some bigger businesses. shops with limited people at the same time, masks, hygiene procedures etc. schools more or less closed until end of summer. Though Germany already has receding numbers for a while now, US is still a little behind. Total number of cases vs deaths is (if counted and reported correctly in worldometers) qui…

I actually heard Germany’s infection rate has now increased directly related to their reopening (before R0 was <1 now it is ~1?)

I doubt that you can measure this already, it has only been two days (also when the lockdown started it took over a week until the effect was visible). That's why at least some countries want to take it slow, after each small step you need at least two weeks to judge the effects.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by matz1 »

pinkfoot wrote: post #127
matz1 wrote: post #123

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So if the death by poverty is less than death of virus, then continue lockdown ? Must be sucks to be the one who dying due to poverty caused by lockdown.

Of course not, and here is why: lockdown is not binary, there are degrees of lockdown. So, when you help us all out with the model of deaths-by-lockdown that informed your decision, we can all benefit from it by comparing it against the latest, updated death-by-covid-19 models and making an informed choice about the degree (if any) of lockdown to pursue. The lesser evil. But of course no such model exists. Its all ju…

So both are evil, must be suck to be the one affected by the "less" evil decision.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by zaroth »

hef19898 wrote: post #40
DagAgren wrote: post #8

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He is mad that the lockdown is losing him money, and he wants to force people to risk their lives to go back to work making him money.

Isn't Elon wating for a huuuuuge payday? One that could not happen if the stock drops too much? Which raises the question, whether or not, this Tweet is similar to the going-private one.

This is a great point of how SEC regulations violate free speech through prior restraint when interpreted too broadly.

If it’s illegal for Musk to make political commentary like this, then that doesn’t mean Musk broke the law, it means the law is unconstitutional.

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