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Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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If you’re okay with servers located in Germany, Hetzner is a provider I can vouch for and they offer additional egress at 1EUR/TB. 20TB included, too. (Billing has been rather painful, though.)

I have a dedicated server at Hetzner for 25 euro a month. I get an i7, 16 GB of RAM and 2x3 TB in RAID 1, which is nice since I'm hosting large media files. I'm currently sitting at 4.2 TB of outbound traffic for the last 30 days, so I still have plenty of room to scale up my outbound traffic before I hit any limits. But most importantly my costs are fixed.

How reliable do you find Hetzner servers to be?

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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If you’re okay with servers located in Germany, Hetzner is a provider I can vouch for and they offer additional egress at 1EUR/TB. 20TB included, too. (Billing has been rather painful, though.)

Besides Hetzner, I can also highly recommend netcup.eu, especially for hobby projects. Their prices are even lower and include more data volume. Their interface is not as nice as Hetzner or Digitalocean, but I am fine with that. https://www.netcup.eu/vserver/vps.php Billing: If you have access to an European bank account they offer SEPA direct debit, which works like a charm.

Have you looked at Time4vps, I have been using one of their 1TB storage servers, and I pay quarterly what netcup seems to charge monthly. It's openvz instead of kvm, but I use it to backup with rsync and borg. I also run a calibre library on mine and I've never had any issues.

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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For what it's worth VPC ranges are allowed to overlap in GCP -- and do by default -- but then you aren't able to peer them. I kind of prefer the DO/AWS constraint.

No such constraint in AWS.

I misremembered. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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I'm glad they plugged their outbound network transfer fees compared to the others[1]. I was shocked and horrified when my AWS bill (which I pay myself) quadrupled due to outgoing network transfer fees. It's truly outrageous what they charge. I use Digital Ocean a lot now simply to avoid nasty surprises like that. I hope AWS and Google change that. [1] https://blog.digitalocean.com/its-all-about-the-bandwidth-wh...

I hope they follow linode ( https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-support/net... ) bandwidth the ability to combine bandwidth from different droplet

Bandwidth is already pooled between all your Droplets... this was implemented sometime last year (I think). (DO employee here)

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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Guess who‘s favorite evil corp cloud is a magnitude cheaper than AWS on transfer pricing? Oracle, which is why Zoom just signed a deal. https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/why-zoom-chose-oracle-clo...

“A magnitude cheaper” _today_ . As soon as the focus shifts from acquiring cloud customers to making them profitable, expect the screws to tighten. As long as Larry lives and breathes, Oracle gonna Oracle.

Zoom runs on AWS and Google too, so they're apparently cloud vendor agnostic. If Oracle starts acting up, hasta la vista.

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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post #95

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I have a dedicated server at Hetzner for 25 euro a month. I get an i7, 16 GB of RAM and 2x3 TB in RAID 1, which is nice since I'm hosting large media files. I'm currently sitting at 4.2 TB of outbound traffic for the last 30 days, so I still have plenty of room to scale up my outbound traffic before I hit any limits. But most importantly my costs are fixed.

How reliable do you find Hetzner servers to be?

Quite. I did have some issue with my server becoming unreachable every couple of weeks at the start of the year for a couple of times. Not sure if it was a fault that I caused or if there was some kind of a networking issue. I know I tinkered with the server a bit earlier, but it seems to have resolved itself without me really doing anything, so it could really be either way.

One problem is also that apparently some Americans have really bad peering to my server. As an European, I can't really confirm if this is the case, but it's what I've heard.

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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> When you're using a private network v4 address exhaustion doesn't matter much Until you start trying to connect to enterprise networks... This is seriously ridiculous. It's 2020, and Google and now DO have no IPv6 in their cloud networks.

As a (former) network security guy, I shudder at the thought that you WANT to expose your internal routing details. That's a recipe for security disaster. It is also an administration problem - you've given out an internal IP network to someone else -- and now your ability to move it to a different IP address for whatever reason depends on the change processes at the other enterprise, which can take months -- or on t…

I don't get this. IPv4's address space is so small I can trivially scan any internal network, and there are a ton of ways to gather that data covertly from behind the firewall via maliciously crafted web pages or apps, abuse of any number of P2P apps or protocols (VoIP, video chat, WebRTC, etc.), and so on. IPv6 actually makes scanning harder since the address space is massive. E.g. if I have a /64 routed internally I have to scan 2^64 addresses to find internal hosts!

If knowing internal IP addresses is a security risk, then IMHO you have serious security problems. I used to do netsec too and the cornerstone was internal scans for unpatched or rogue systems and services and keeping systems patched and locked down. A network is only as secure as what is connected to it! We also had smart switches and APs where you could lock port to MAC and IP and thus could prevent rogues.

My personal rule was: any system that would not be safe to directly connect to the Internet without a firewall is insecure and needs to be fixed. The only exception is backplanes for things like internal databases/services or testing/dev, and those were separate networks for that purpose only. Separation was either physical or virtual/cryptographic. Back then we didn't have stuff like ZeroTier so we did that with IPSec and it was ugly, but we did it. Those nets could sometimes access the Internet (with restrictions) but could not even see the controlled internal LAN. They accessed the net via a port to outside the DMZ.

Next up was auditing software installed on internal systems. Next up was monitoring network traffic to detect anomalous activity. Firewalls are always the last line of defense. NAT is not a security feature at all.

I never once worried about keeping internal IPs secret (why?) and we ran IPv6 internally without NAT because IPv6 NAT is dumb.

We had two incidents when I was there. Both were the result of phishing to get malware onto personal PCs or phones.

My very strong personal opinion is that security people worry about the wrong things. They worry about network security and firewalls when what should really terrify them is phishing, auto-updating software made by who-knows-who, popular apps and SaaS services that are invisible security dumpster fires (Zoom anyone?), and of course barbarous demonic evocations like "npm install ...". Your firewall will do very little to save you from any of that, and NAT won't do crap because once again NAT is not a security feature.

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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I'm glad they plugged their outbound network transfer fees compared to the others[1]. I was shocked and horrified when my AWS bill (which I pay myself) quadrupled due to outgoing network transfer fees. It's truly outrageous what they charge. I use Digital Ocean a lot now simply to avoid nasty surprises like that. I hope AWS and Google change that. [1] https://blog.digitalocean.com/its-all-about-the-bandwidth-wh...

$0.01/GB is fantastic, but I have a bandwidth intensive ML media application and don't know how to monetize or sell it quickly enough to pay for my bandwidth costs. Is there a cloud or dedicated server farm with even cheaper outbound bandwidth? Edit: as much as I hate Oracle, their first 10TB is free, and each GB after that is $0.0085/GB. Better...

Digital Ocean's bandwidth pricing is pretty solid at $10/TB. It's pooled between droplets, too, so it's often cheaper to spool up a few droplets you're not using to get slightly better bandwidth prices if you use a lot. Sadly, I just missed out on being grandfathered in at free bandwidth, which would have been great for my PortableApps.com open source project. We'll be hitting 100 TB a month soon across all downloads.

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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Oracle cloud? The same technology that runs certain state unemployment systems and has been completely unable to scale, leaving hundreds of thousands of people with no income for the last five weeks? Oracle really should remove its logo from the footers of all those collapsing web sites. It's embarrassing.

That stack was most likely legacy middleware + database backend, a combination of fusion middleware, oracle database, CRM, etc. running on physical hardware or virtualized. Not automated, very basic HA, not easily scalable. Nothing to do with Oracle Cloud (although Oracle Cloud won't be on my list unless it's marginally cheaper than other cloud service providers). BTW: Talking about Oracle Cloud, my free tier trial e…

Geez, thanks for sharing your experience. I run a number of things that I pay for myself and my cloud bill each month is becoming non-negligible. Even tho it kills me inside I considered looking at Oracle, but this is enough to steer me away. Thank you :-)

Re: DigitalOcean VPC

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$0.01/GB is fantastic, but I have a bandwidth intensive ML media application and don't know how to monetize or sell it quickly enough to pay for my bandwidth costs. Is there a cloud or dedicated server farm with even cheaper outbound bandwidth? Edit: as much as I hate Oracle, their first 10TB is free, and each GB after that is $0.0085/GB. Better...

Digital Ocean's bandwidth pricing is pretty solid at $10/TB. It's pooled between droplets, too, so it's often cheaper to spool up a few droplets you're not using to get slightly better bandwidth prices if you use a lot. Sadly, I just missed out on being grandfathered in at free bandwidth, which would have been great for my PortableApps.com open source project. We'll be hitting 100 TB a month soon across all downloads…

PortableApps.com looks like an interesting project. Could you give me a quick technical explanation of what it does?
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