What's the point of having a closed ecosystem if you allow spyware in your store anyway?
You can ban competitor apps and charge big fees.
For the customer? The false feeling of security and privacy. Marketing!
Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
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Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#132> There is nothing in the privacy policy that addresses [that data is being sent to Facebook] > The Zoom app notifies Facebook when the user opens the app, details on the user's device such as the model, the time zone and city they are connecting from, which phone carrier they are using, and a unique advertiser identifier created by the user's device which companies can use to target a user with advertisements So Zoo…
It's past time for us to get serious and apply HIPAA-style protection to the storage and transmission of PII, without exemptions. Companies like Facebook will complain loudly that they won't be able to survive, but that is not our problem. If we pass legislation with teeth, they will need to change their business model. That would be the point.
People aren't allowed to go through my mailbox and sell that information. I don't see how this is any different.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do comments suggesting that data collection is paid for by Facebook/google get downvoted? Serious question. This wasn’t my comment but I think it’s true and I’ve said the same previously and was downvoted too. Is it because it’s obvious and well known? Did I miss the memo too? If Facebook is encouraging the capture and transmission of this data and paying for it, does this mean that Facebook has indemnified Zoom?
I’ve long since given up trying to figure out why HN goes and goes against certain things. The vote system here is one of the clearest examples of “let’s build a bubble” that I can think of. There is no way Zoom is just sending secret data to FB out of the evilness (because it’s not goodness!) of their hearts for fun. So someone is trading value somewhere.
Obviously someone at Zoom thinks they get value out if it. But that's quite different from "this is a revenue source", which would suggest Facebook paying money for it. Your typical company will happily put a tracking SDK in so some marketers get some more graphs to look at in Facebook Analytics.
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#134EVERY. SINGLE. APP. THAT. INCLUDES. THE. FACEBOOK. SDK. Even if you don't log in. The Facebook SDK sends data back. Hook your device up to an intercepting proxy and start up a few apps. 99% of them do this. I really wish Apple would put an end to this.
> I really wish Apple would put an end to this. This is what really gives lie to the whole walled garden thing. Its selling point is supposed to be in Apple preventing things like this, but here we are in reality and they don't. Meanwhile they do e.g. prevent Signal from replacing Apple's default app for SMS, which has no purpose other than to create barriers for cross-platform competitors to the default apps.
Its incredible how blocking changing the default app on iOS isn't illegal. Its obviously insanely anti competitive.
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#135People crap on the web for its privacy record - justifiably - but at least you can open dev tools and see what the page is doing. Selling apps as being better for privacy just seems like a complete misstatement.
And you can install extensions that do that for you and actually block the requests. I'm not aware of any tool to block the facebook sdk in apps.
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#136Criminalize targeted advertising
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#137EVERY. SINGLE. APP. THAT. INCLUDES. THE. FACEBOOK. SDK. Even if you don't log in. The Facebook SDK sends data back. Hook your device up to an intercepting proxy and start up a few apps. 99% of them do this. I really wish Apple would put an end to this.
This was presented at the 36C3 last year: https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10693-no_body_s_business_but_min...
I assume a lot of people just “slap” the SDK in there and call it a day and it starts sending data.
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#138> There is nothing in the privacy policy that addresses [that data is being sent to Facebook] > The Zoom app notifies Facebook when the user opens the app, details on the user's device such as the model, the time zone and city they are connecting from, which phone carrier they are using, and a unique advertiser identifier created by the user's device which companies can use to target a user with advertisements So Zoo…
Can we stop sharing data with facebook and google or literally ANY third party unless absolutely necessary? And if it is absolutely necessary, let users opt out and tell them what feature they lose?????
Zoom is quickly gaining a reputation for doing the wrong thing anytime they have a choice between right and wrong.
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Zoom has allegedly HIPAA-compliant BAAs with users in the health space. If any PHI data is making it over to Facebook without a similar agreement from Facebook, Zoom is in for some trouble.
IP address, telephone number, city and other identifying information is ALL considered PII. I work with (adjacent industry) HIPAA protected data, which is considered PII by virtue of knowing Bob Smith is in the system. If they're under a BAA and sending that information to Facebook they're in violation. If one of my sub-processors did this my lawyer would be livid. But hey, it's Silicon Valley, don't harsh their buzz…
How do you even report something this technical to non technical folks who oversee HIPAA? Would you have to do a case study style write up?
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#140The world is facing such a massive crisis, people are getting laid off, and here on HN/Vice, they are discussing why a VC app is sending an anonymized link to Facebook.
There are so many other alternatives that don't sell out user privacy, so calling them out for slimy shit like this is never inappropriate.