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Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Post by monkeywork »

pmachinery wrote: post #125
monkeywork wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

false sense of security - gives the person the impression they are protected and allows them to lower their guard in other area's that they might now if they weren't wearing it. edit To put it in tech terms ... someone poorly implementing a security / encryption method may be more dangerous than someone who didn't because the person who didn't may take additional steps that the person who falsely thinks they are prot…

> false sense of security - gives the person the impression they are protected and allows them to lower their guard in other area's that they might now if they weren't wearing it. Using this argument bullet poof vests and helmets "make things worse". In my experience a mask is a conspicuous reminder of an unusual/dangerous situation - that I would definitely forget about at certain times if I was not wearing a mask -…

I've seen and heard from people who think social distancing doesn't apply to them if they are wearing a mask... hell there are people who don't think social distancing applies if they are indoors.

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Also people who are using bullet proof vests / helmets are generally TRAINED on how to use them, thus know the limits.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Post by monkeywork »

tomp wrote: post #111
monkeywork wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

false sense of security - gives the person the impression they are protected and allows them to lower their guard in other area's that they might now if they weren't wearing it. edit To put it in tech terms ... someone poorly implementing a security / encryption method may be more dangerous than someone who didn't because the person who didn't may take additional steps that the person who falsely thinks they are prot…

Couldn't you say the same thing about every non-100%-certain method of protection?

The conversation was about using the protection incorrectly - and yes you could likely say the same thing about any method of protection that is being used incorrectly.

Airbags are great - shouldn't put one in front a baby. Sunscreen is fantastic - assuming it's not expired. etc etc.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Post by paranoidrobot »

tomp wrote: post #63
paranoidrobot wrote: post #32

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This is repeated a lot, however just like most things - there's more nuance to it than just "wear masks". In most places, there's simply not enough masks to protect those most at risk (eg: healthcare workers who are constantly in contact with infected patients) AND to have everyone in the community using them. Improper use of masks is at best pointless, at worst can actually make things worse. The vast majority of pe…

Can you explain how improper use of masks can make things worse?

The vast majority of people don't know how to handle contaminated items correctly, and default to how they normally do things. You can't see contamination like that, so it's difficult to control your subconcious behaviours.

Touching the outside of their mask (more likely to have any virus droplets), then touch their face/eyes/etc.

Lifting the mask with their contaminated hands to scratch their nose or mouth. Touching the mask and transferring contaminants from your hands onto the inside of the mask, or from the outside of the mask onto your hands then to the inside of the mask.

Taking off/disposing of the contaminated masks improperly.

Using a mask beyond when it's safe to do so - most masks are not supposed to be used if they become moist, as they can retransmit and help spread droplets.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Post by paranoidrobot »

pmachinery wrote: post #125
monkeywork wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

false sense of security - gives the person the impression they are protected and allows them to lower their guard in other area's that they might now if they weren't wearing it. edit To put it in tech terms ... someone poorly implementing a security / encryption method may be more dangerous than someone who didn't because the person who didn't may take additional steps that the person who falsely thinks they are prot…

> false sense of security - gives the person the impression they are protected and allows them to lower their guard in other area's that they might now if they weren't wearing it. Using this argument bullet poof vests and helmets "make things worse". In my experience a mask is a conspicuous reminder of an unusual/dangerous situation - that I would definitely forget about at certain times if I was not wearing a mask -…

It's a poor example.

Ballistic vests and helmets don't collect gunfire that can be transferred to you if you take them off incorrectly, or if you scratch an itch under the vest with a hand that hasn't been decontaminated.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Post by dmix »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #38
mhh__ wrote: post #21

Had to happen: If they tried to have it, there would have been no crowd and all the athletes would get it like wildfire (The Olympic Village has a lot of Tinder activity, at least). That doesn't even account for the sad reality that some athletes can't go due to the virus (already). At least three of the South Korean Fencing team (Very likely medal contenders) are confirmed positive, for example.

not to mention that Canada and Australia have already said they wouldn't attend anyway. It basically forced their hand. Same thing happened with NCAA March Madness. They kept trying to figure out how they could still hold the tournament and then Duke and Kansas said they were dropping out. And that was the end of that.

The NBA was moving towards crowdless games and as soon as single player got sick they shut it down. Which was later followed by NCAA and a bunch of other major sports leagues.

Technically the first major sports player in a similar league was a soccer player in Europe, but it took a (European) player in America for it to really take hold.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Post by monkeywork »

twomoretime wrote: post #123
monkeywork wrote: post #69

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There is something immensely wrong with it because unfortunately people don't see a difference between the Chinese government and the Chinese people. This is going to greenlight those who are looking for reasons to lash out with their hate and puts those who are or could be confused as Chinese in danger from these idiots. There is also a need to be above petty name calling. It is fine to take a scientific and fact ba…

>because unfortunately people don't see a difference between the Chinese government and the Chinese people Then teach people to behave like adults, don't gaslight the rest of us by forcing racism into a reasonable and inoffensive scientific term. When you spread this inane idea that "Chinese Virus" is a racist or sinophobic designation, you're literally playing into the hands of Chinese astroturfing propaganda (Russi…

>Then teach people to behave like adults, don't gaslight the rest of us by forcing racism into a reasonable and inoffensive scientific term.

Unreasonable expectation unfortunately.

No one is suggesting that the origin or mistakes made be covered up or denied. Simply stating that rather than stroking the flames with those that would use this name as a rallying call to act poorly (internment of Japanese Americans) save the finger pointing, the highlighting of responsibility etc until it over and let history sort it out.

Creating an environment of distrust of innocents helps no one right now.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Post by tomp »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #133
tomp wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain how improper use of masks can make things worse?

The vast majority of people don't know how to handle contaminated items correctly, and default to how they normally do things. You can't see contamination like that, so it's difficult to control your subconcious behaviours. Touching the outside of their mask (more likely to have any virus droplets), then touch their face/eyes/etc. Lifting the mask with their contaminated hands to scratch their nose or mouth. Touching…

Literally all of these are strictly worse if you don't have a mask; instead of touching your mask - touching your mouth then touching your eyes; instead of disposing contaminated mask improperly - not being able to dispose contaminated skin on your face; etc.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Post by rurban »

What they didn't write, is that there will be no Olympic village next year then. They already sold all the new apartments. And now they have add contracts to all those buyers to let the private appartment for 3 weeks to the athletes. Or something like this. Hotels? In Tokyo during the high Olympic season? Tents?
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