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Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Well. Not so fast. It isn't cynicism to point out issues with this idea. You can't accept half a million random tests kits and use them for anything. It isn't that simple. At a minimum, we know nothing about where they came from, their traceability, method of manufacture, sterility, etc. And then there's the reality that "test kits" does not mean swab-to-result technology. There's a lot more to testing someone for, w…

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It's actually hard to tell whether this is a joke or what...

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Power move or not, these are things the US desperately needs. Just accept the damn supplies, thank them, and try to do better next time.

There's no shortage of test kits, there's a shortage of PCR lab capacity to process those samples. Masks and ventilators would be a good thing to donate though.

There are antibody test kits as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGhoZ4zl_7w

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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> If the PRC doesn't want these rumors to circulate, these rumors would not last more than a hour Reddit tries to stop conspiracy theories with quarantines and bans. But they're rapidly spreading anyway. > 2. I don't see US' Secretary of State accusing China of intentionally creating the virus. It really is symmetric: Tom Cotton, Senator from Arkansas, has been on Fox saying exactly this. Fox also has other people on…

Disingenuous comparison. Ministers of foreign affairs in China is similar to Secretary of State in US. A senator is nowhere near equivalent.

In an ordinary US government, that's true.

But in the current one, who gets on Fox seems to be a more reliable indicator of the thinking of the ruling clique than official pronouncements. Stuff that gets repeated on Fox enough tends to end up coming out of the President's mouth eventually. Official pronouncements from Secretaries of Suchandsuch get countermanded by tweet. One of the President's closest advisors broadcasts on Fox nightly.

"Blame China" is a simple message and it would not be rational to think it is not going to be tweet-official policy soon enough.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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But you can trace all of that after the fact. If you have a positive result you can go prove it later. If you have a negative result you can go prove that later. But you can at least start by acting on the result.

So if you get a negative result from the test-kit, you let the person go, then later after the fact, you realize that it's a false-negative and you shouldn't have let the patient go ... now you've just spread the virus even more

The alternative as it seems right now is to not test at all.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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The Chinese are people like you and me. Yes their government needs a lot of work, but people are people and we need to remember that more.

Sure, but there's no way one of their billionaires would be allowed to take an action like this without discussing it with the CCP first. For all we know it was their idea. I'm not saying it's evil or that we shouldn't accept it, I'm just observing the optics and the fact that there's no way the CCP didn't consider it from this perspective beforehand, regardless of any other motives.

> For all we know it was their idea.

So what? Even if it was, no-strings-attached charity is no-strings-attached charity.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Thank you. That's what I gotta say. Thank you. I hate all the cynics and conspiracy theories here. It's a generous move, and deeply appreciated. Jack didn't spend that much money to be a douchebag. He spent it because this will save countless lives.

Well. Not so fast. It isn't cynicism to point out issues with this idea. You can't accept half a million random tests kits and use them for anything. It isn't that simple. At a minimum, we know nothing about where they came from, their traceability, method of manufacture, sterility, etc. And then there's the reality that "test kits" does not mean swab-to-result technology. There's a lot more to testing someone for, w…

Bullshit. When the CDC has 500k tests, by all means, regulate away. To prohibit using even potentially working technology when the alternative is nothing is barbaric.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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But you can trace all of that after the fact. If you have a positive result you can go prove it later. If you have a negative result you can go prove that later. But you can at least start by acting on the result.

Exactly. At this point only irredeemable bureaucrats care whether a face mask meets ISO-12345 compliance or a test kit has documents stamped by the right government Deputy Inspector of Inspectors. Bring the things in and worry about the right official seals of approval later.

That's insane. If the untraceable masks only block particles larger than 1 micron rather than 0.3 microns, they are useless. If instead of being true N95 they are N80, they are deadly junk.

This isn't about bureaucracy, this is about engineering and science. Junk is junk, and it can kill you when you assume you are being protected (or protecting others) and you are not because they lied to you.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if you get a negative result from the test-kit, you let the person go, then later after the fact, you realize that it's a false-negative and you shouldn't have let the patient go ... now you've just spread the virus even more

The alternative as it seems right now is to not test at all .

I'd argue that that is better. Because if you're not tested, you know that you don't know. But if you get a false-negative (the test tells you're not infected, but you actually are), you think you're not infected, you may go about your daily life infecting other people.
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