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Post by watwut »

alexmingoia wrote: post #60
watwut wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that he opposed me first, if direct contradiction is what requires source, he should do it anyway. I literally dis this to very whether I am right: https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-sam...

Maybe I’m missing something, but number of divorces per 1,000 people (the “divorce rate”) does not control for marriage. It includes people who don’t get married, which makes the measure meaningless. I did some quick searching but did not find any statistics on divorce as a percentage of married per capita over time.

Divorce rate is per marriages - "how many divorces per 1000 married women". Here is graph and article from sociologist https://timeline.com/divorce-rates-going-down-d85477f83055

Mostly, attitude toward marriage changed. People care more about selection of partner. They marry later and when they are able to form stable couple - finish college and find jobs. Poor people marry less, but form couples that live together and don't marry.

People are less likely to marry due to social pressure etc.

Re: Secret’s founder returns with anti-loneliness app Ikaria

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Post by tveita »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #4

Incredibly vague statements parroting known talking points with 0 substance to show for it. I hate to be cynical but all this `tech to fix the social problems created by tech` really brings out the cynic in me. Realistically I know that we do need new solutions but the solution to a drinking problem isn't to deliver better, more mindful alcohol. Edit: To the comments below, I am not asserting that tech has actually c…

Of course it's sales copy, but if this is what sells now, maybe we're heading in the right direction?

I mainly like this line: "They laid out a few principles to build by: a focus on relationships instead of Likes and followers, conscious design that won’t exploit people’s attention or weaknesses, no ads, and keeping all data private and in control of the user."

It would be great if this could be an actual thing.

Re: Secret’s founder returns with anti-loneliness app Ikaria

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Post by idclip »

Ensorceled wrote: post #102
idclip wrote: post #98

“Since I left Secret I feel alive and aligned with my values and my purpose again.” - Bader, co founder What Bader learned from watching Secret’s users “do this in the dark” was the realization that “actually, we need to learn to do this in the light, to have that same kind of dialogue, but do it openly with each other.” Hell of anti workplace toxicity spot if you ask me. We need to regain this piece of our humanity…

> Im doing l my share, are you ? HN does lean towards the light from what i can see. I think, in general, HN leans a little towards the light but that is true of humanity in general. But, there is a boat load of toxicity in this very discussion.

Point it out! Im actually eager to be told my shortcomings. Unconscious things are hard to aolve

Re: Secret’s founder returns with anti-loneliness app Ikaria

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Post by forgottenpass »

watwut wrote: post #41
econcon wrote: post #26

Loneliness is because people have convinced themselves that the cost of being with someone is bigger than the reward of being with someone. The immediate cost of being alone is going down. We need to understand, no matter how much a person has read or introspected their behaviour or are kind at their heart - no one will every be able to live up to the expectations of millions of people on internet. This is why relati…

On the other hand, leaving abusive or manipulative person is a good idea - you are better off alone. And dating addicted gamer that also drinks or takes drugs sounds like special kind of hell. It would just make her suffer in bad relationship where she has no meaningfull companion and partner. No girl can cure any of these. And guys like this won't change after starting to date a girl - not for long. The idea that sh…

But how'd they get there in the first place? Contact with a D12 is terminal? What set our hypothetical failure apart from a 20-something guy that drinks, does drugs, plays games, is in a relationship and leads a rewarding life? Allow me to blast some copypasta about for an idea I can't quite articulate myself:

>Everything is systemic until it's people you don't like, and then suddenly they're personally morally culpable for their shit ass attitude. A whole generation of men simultaneously said "nah fuck it having a life is for fags"? When you see this many people with the same problem, the word "systemic" should come to mind immediately. They need to wipe their own ass obviously but I'm in no rush to blame a whole generation of teenagers for burning out the exact same way; I wanna know who sold them the video games, weed and tendies.

Re: Secret’s founder returns with anti-loneliness app Ikaria

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Post by [deleted] »

garry wrote: post #18

I invested in Ikaria and feel like someone should speak up here. I was early investor with Chrys Bader previously on his startup Secret. He was a YC batchmate of mine from 2008. I watched him build an initial prototype that had the chance to be a real social network that had very high long term retention, but in the end the company didn't invest deeply enough into moderation and the long term retention cohorts went d…

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Re: Secret’s founder returns with anti-loneliness app Ikaria

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Post by jr46tjdr »

onion2k wrote: post #67
1propionyl wrote: post #51

Oh good. Another app. When will people learn that more technology is not only not always the answer, but often the problem? The biggest fallacy of the 21st century is the idea that the shortcomings and collateral effects of the advance of technology can be addressed with more technology. I'm not against technology. I'm not a neo-Luddite. But at the same time, the conception that all of the problems we've created or e…

It's time for us to recognize that we (the tech community) don't have all of the right answers, and it's time for us to reach out and try to learn, and try to participate in fixing the problems we helped create. Is this like when people in the past said the postal system couldn't ever replace visiting someone, and that the telephone would never replace letters, and that chat apps couldn't beat a phone call.. People i…

>Is this like when people in the past said the postal system couldn't ever replace visiting someone ...

...Did it? Frequently the main time I ever message someone is to coordinate an irl occasion.

Re: Secret’s founder returns with anti-loneliness app Ikaria

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Post by GreenJelloShot »

wincy wrote: post #123
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you been outside recently? I mean outside without a phone for a couple of months. Give yourself a no-data diet, and just observe what is going on in others. Wait alone at a bus-stop or alone at a pub or cafe. You can see them addicted to their screens everywhere. It's the norm now to immediately reach for the phone because god forbid they might otherwise feel 2 seconds of boredom. They are no longer human as far…

But how do we stop? My wife and I got rid of our smartphones for a few months and just felt profoundly lonely because there’s no one to talk to. It feels like the only way to actually stop would be to have a community all willing to do so at the same time.

Wait, really? Do you have family? Do you have friends? You don't have anyone to talk to at all???

Join a club. Pick up a new hobby. Join a church. Attend local events. There is probably a hundred things you could do to meet and talk with all kinds of people.

Re: Secret’s founder returns with anti-loneliness app Ikaria

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Post by germinalphrase »

101404 wrote: post #91
germinalphrase wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. Lot of bad blood in this thread.

Care to elaborate? Nothing I wrote was because of "bad blood" (whatever that is). In a society where, whatever you say, somebody is offended and claims some victimhood status in order to justify the being offended, it is hardly surprising that people feel increasingly lonely. I would not blame technology for that. EDIT: So, no discussion? Just "punishing downvotes"? Well, looks like Q.E.D. then. Brave new world.

I’ve been working.

The general tone of this thread is aggressive and dismissive. Clearly, Ikaria is already bring us together in brotherhood and friendship.

Re: Secret’s founder returns with anti-loneliness app Ikaria

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Post by [deleted] »

speedplane wrote: post #76
peter_l_downs wrote: post #3

> “I don’t feel good about that. That sucks,” Chrys Bader-Wechseler reflects when asked about the bullying that went down on the anonymous app Secret he co-founded in 2013. After $35 million raised, 15 million users and a spectacular flame out two years later, the startup was dead. “Since I left Secret I feel alive and aligned with my values and my purpose again.” I wonder what his values and purpose are.

> “Since I left Secret I feel alive and aligned with my values and my purpose again.” > I wonder what his values and purpose are. Few people know the founder and whether he's actually a good person or a fraud, but we do know that: he was the recipient of huge VC largess, created an app with shaky moral foundation that caused actual harm, and then shut it down after lots of bad publicity. Not reasons to totally discou…

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