Don’t stage off Starship • Hacker News Board

Re: Don’t stage off Starship

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Post by heavyset_go » Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 8:31 PM UTC

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #56

heavyset_go wrote: post #18

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Musk isn't an engineer.

Just listen to 15 minutes him answering questions in any but the most mainstream (thus: time-limited, chunked into 10-seconds slots) channel and you will see that he has most accurate technical information and numbers and tradeoffs and materials etc. in his head than most engineers with 10 year experience. Say what you want about the stock price, about whether you agree with his policies, about his personality, but i…

Musk neither graduated from an accredited engineering program, nor is he is a licensed professional engineer. Being able to convince someone on the comments section of a website that he's an engineer isn't the same thing as having credentials or a license.

Re: Don’t stage off Starship

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Post by ben_w » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

4bpp wrote: post #112

anoncake wrote: post #97

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We've got plenty of land on Earth that we don't exactly consider habitable but still beats Mars. That is not why sending our racists to Mars is a ludicrous idea. > this one might cause less conflict than those wanting to reorganize society in whatever direction. Is that the "go to North Korea/Chile/Somalia" argument on steroids?

The difference is that all the unhabitable land on Earth is still nominally owned by someone, and human society has committed itself to treating these claims of ownership with a lot of respect. Modulo a few famous and very small exceptions, even stretches of hundreds of square kilometres of empty desert far inland belong to some country and building an earthbound sovereign "Mars base" there will quickly result in mis…

The ability to build a Mars colony is not the same as the ability to seastead, but there is some overlap. I suspect that the 2/3rds of this planet currently treated as international waters would become habitable on a similar schedule as a Mars colony.

Not that I have any reason to believe racists can be convinced to go away no matter where or how appealing the destination is. If anything, I would expect the contrary.

Re: Don’t stage off Starship

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Post by anoncake » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

TomMarius wrote: post #129

anoncake wrote: post #122

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No, not at all. That doesn't benefit the people who died.

Well you said it's not helpful because everyone would be dead, this response seems like moving the goalpost, also do you think these people will be born mostly on Mars?

No, I'm not moving any goalposts. Nothing is helpful for dead people as they're dead.

Re: Don’t stage off Starship

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Post by setr » Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 9:58 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #109

setr wrote: post #89

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I imagine indentured servitude path should be dramatically more expensive by the end of it than paying straight up -- it's like taking money from a loan shark; it's not actually a good deal -- but you don't have the resources to get anything better. I imagine the actual cost of buying a ticket would probably be like 50÷ the cost of indentured servitude

> like taking money from a loan shark A loan shark that owns the air you breathe.

Yes, a bad deal. But if it's the only offer on the table...

Re: Don’t stage off Starship

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Post by TomMarius » Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:06 PM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #133

TomMarius wrote: post #129

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Well you said it's not helpful because everyone would be dead, this response seems like moving the goalpost, also do you think these people will be born mostly on Mars?

No, I'm not moving any goalposts. Nothing is helpful for dead people as they're dead.

If some of these people first moved to Mars and later back, obviously it helps them.

Re: Don’t stage off Starship

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Post by anoncake » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 6:19 PM UTC

TomMarius wrote: post #135

anoncake wrote: post #133

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No, I'm not moving any goalposts. Nothing is helpful for dead people as they're dead.

If some of these people first moved to Mars and later back, obviously it helps them.

Then they basically escaped. That is not solving a problem, it's giving up and pathetic.