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Re: Who’s in charge at Amazon? Moves on secretive S Team signal giant’s priorities

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Post by whateveracct »

hef19898 wrote: post #71
whateveracct wrote: post #52

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I think you gave it backwards. Or at least it goes both ways. Long tenure naturally results in becoming L6 if you have a boss who develops you and aims to get you there (+ understands how to work in the review/promotion system and check the boxes.) Maybe I misinterpreted, but it sounds like you deify L6 engineers as "better" and that's why they remain. I don't think that's exactly it lol. Also..people leaving in 2 ye…

Which is a very sensible plan to have. My biggest mistake was to not have an exit strategy I followed from day one. But than LVL 5, or 4, at Amazon isn't that bad. You have probably more responsibility than a LVL-6 equivalent at any other non-FAANG corp.

Heh, the guy who referred me even let me in on that common exit plan ;)

I agree with you on Amazon not being so bad. I had a lot of autonomy and was asked to both be an engineer and build technical solutions and own processes end-to-end (which included some project management.) It was a great experience!

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Post by gacklesmom »

dextralt wrote: post #109
paganel wrote: post #104

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I'm just stating the fact that the current societal status quo is such that no black person is part of the executive-team of one of the first biggest three companies in the world and that the women that are part of said team have been put in positions that have been usually associated with women, the positions usually associated with men are occupied only by, well, men. I personally believe that all men and women are…

I suppose you have similar concerns about men occupying the overwhelming majority of physically taxing and hazardous jobs, correct? Obviously, we both know there are no intrinsic differences between men and women, so this is a great injustice that women's representation among miners, construction workers, metalworkers, truckers, heavy machinery operators, fishermen, foresters, waster disposal workers, and so on, is v…

Didn't take long for the men's rights crowd to show up with their funky fresh brand of sexism.

Re: Who’s in charge at Amazon? Moves on secretive S Team signal giant’s priorities

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Post by fred_is_fred »

Pfhreak wrote: post #2

One of the things I really liked about working for AWS was the accessibility of the S-team. Even as a fairly junior engineer I was in meetings where you could get their opinions, see where they were going, and understand their goals. AWS has a lot of things I don't love (not least of all, their policy towards developing games in your spare time), but they had a ton of rigor around setting goals while still giving dev…

There is almost no level of comp that being on call 24/7 for months on end is worth. That essentially means that they control you at all times, you cannot go hiking or camping, you probably can't go skiing or surfing. Any activity away from a phone or out of the coverage area is difficult if not impossible. I'm glad that you were able to get out of that routine because it's mentally taxing.

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Post by jl2718 »

paganel wrote: post #112
dextralt wrote: post #109

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I suppose you have similar concerns about men occupying the overwhelming majority of physically taxing and hazardous jobs, correct? Obviously, we both know there are no intrinsic differences between men and women, so this is a great injustice that women's representation among miners, construction workers, metalworkers, truckers, heavy machinery operators, fishermen, foresters, waster disposal workers, and so on, is v…

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Both of you sound silly. There is no meritocracy nor equality. People get what they get because they have something that somebody else wants: knowledge, skills, connections, whatever. How did they get it? I don’t know. Maybe by hard work, maybe by ingenuity, maybe by risk, maybe by birth, maybe by luck, maybe by theft, maybe by deceit. None of those things are or can be or ever will be equally-distributed.

I personally think that a society that encourages the first two tends to work out better than some of the others, but still probably unrealistic.

Re: Who’s in charge at Amazon? Moves on secretive S Team signal giant’s priorities

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Post by hef19898 »

whateveracct wrote: post #131
hef19898 wrote: post #71

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Which is a very sensible plan to have. My biggest mistake was to not have an exit strategy I followed from day one. But than LVL 5, or 4, at Amazon isn't that bad. You have probably more responsibility than a LVL-6 equivalent at any other non-FAANG corp.

Heh, the guy who referred me even let me in on that common exit plan ;) I agree with you on Amazon not being so bad. I had a lot of autonomy and was asked to both be an engineer and build technical solutions and own processes end-to-end (which included some project management.) It was a great experience!

Yeah, I wouldn't miss it neither! Just not for long term, unless you are one of the few exceptions.

Nice guy that referred you! Not everyone is that open, usually people learn it the hard way.

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Post by exolymph »

gacklesmom wrote: post #132
dextralt wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose you have similar concerns about men occupying the overwhelming majority of physically taxing and hazardous jobs, correct? Obviously, we both know there are no intrinsic differences between men and women, so this is a great injustice that women's representation among miners, construction workers, metalworkers, truckers, heavy machinery operators, fishermen, foresters, waster disposal workers, and so on, is v…

Didn't take long for the men's rights crowd to show up with their funky fresh brand of sexism.

I'm a woman, and he's right. Care to answer the question directly — are you worried about the lack of women loggers, or do you only care about the high status jobs? If so, real big think moment right there. Wonder why that might be.

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Post by J_cst »

paganel wrote: post #104
dextralt wrote: post #100

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Are you: - suggesting that Amazon is passing over better qualified minorities in favor of less qualified white men? - bemoaning that Amazon is passing over less qualified minorities in favor of better qualified white men? I mean, I already know the answer, as does everyone else who is paying any attention to the shift in the narrative, but I just want you to remind everyone else that meritocracy is fascism and people…

I'm just stating the fact that the current societal status quo is such that no black person is part of the executive-team of one of the first biggest three companies in the world and that the women that are part of said team have been put in positions that have been usually associated with women, the positions usually associated with men are occupied only by, well, men. I personally believe that all men and women are…

'I personally believe that all men and women are created equal' That's just plain false. Every individual is obviuosly unique, just have a look at all the people around you. I consider that just a false storytelling. I agree the everyone have the same dignity* as a human being, but that's another matter and has nothing to do with everyone being equal.

*Sorry I'm not native english speaking, and I'm using the word dignity in the same sense we - in italy - use the word "dignità", but I'm not sure those two words has exactly the same meaning.

Re: Who’s in charge at Amazon? Moves on secretive S Team signal giant’s priorities

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Post by downerending »

paganel wrote: post #99

Yeah, real diversity when it comes to Amazon's C-suites, no black person in sight and the only 3 women in that S-team are in charge of HR, fashion and advertising. Granted, that's a step up from having to take notes in a room full of men, but still, I would have expected something better.

Given that this is HN, an obvious approach would be to start your own company and make sure its C-suite is exactly the way you like it. I think you'd have all our best wishes.

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Post by Supermancho »

luckylion wrote: post #73
Supermancho wrote: post #43

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> against their consent I have worked in ads for over 15 years. I certainly don't believe it's any more "against your consent" than stores coloring their walls to modify behavior or placing goods in a more visible location to sell more, or that fluffy animals are perceived as cute. The work is good and I have never been happier than when I work in adtech.

It's a bit more invasive than "coloring the walls", right?

Is it? Superstore chain (let's say Walmart's) cost/benefit margins of coloring the walls is orders of magnitude larger day to day, than ad revenue budgets of most companies year over year. People like to be outraged about the most fringe issues, because they feel like it's championing the good fight. Advertising is the least of life's problems (local or at large). It's fucking 2020, can we get Pepsi and Coke in the same restaurant yet? That's an advertising issue that I wish someone would address.

Re: Who’s in charge at Amazon? Moves on secretive S Team signal giant’s priorities

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Post by on_and_off »

okr wrote: post #130
dkersten wrote: post #92

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> you certainly bring value into the world Just because someone is willing to pay for it, doesn’t mean it’s good for society or the world.

Do you buy something, that harms the society or the world, why?

really ?

have you looked at how most of the smartphones, clothes or even food are made ?

I can't even say if your comment is supposed to be satire

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