> get a free CS degree Why? Learn stuff thats out of date from some one who has never don it. Even without the debt academia is pointless, just learn to learn.
"because the parents want it. I'm not joking, that's the actual reason."
DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
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Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#132This is cool. But very conflicting for me personally. Here I am, deciding whether to apply to the Mississippi Teacher's Corp, which would give me a free Master's degree while getting paid to teach. Probably like $35k per year. And then here is this program, which is very tempting to apply to, partly because of the salary. It should be the other way around. Teaching is so much more valuable than coding.
As a somewhat weak rule, compensation seems to be inversely proportional to social value.
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Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shopify's HQ is in Ottawa, hence Carleton University. York is in suburban Toronto. Those schools are not quite in the same league as Toronto or Waterloo, but they're adequate.
The Lassonde on School of Engineering at York University started eight years ago. Within the last 8 years The Faculty has made major growth and acquired world-class faculty. The school is more than adequate and was named as one of three schools worldwide to watch in a report by MIT. I suggest you look at the teaching methods of the school and you will see how it differs from traditional ciriculums. In my personal opi…
> the education received in many areas. Lassonde stronger than both the traditional education of University of Toronto and University of Waterloo
How is it stronger? It is a bit misleading to label UofT and Waterloo as "traditional" when both provide extensive coop programs and highly relevant courses.
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#134Here is some history and background about why Shopify did this and the success they saw early on.
https://engineering.shopify.com/blogs/engineering/dev-degree...
Disclosure: recent hire at Shopify, not through this program. Just learned about it, actually today from HN. After mentioning it to my team, was pointed to this link and thought I'd share it here.
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#135i am wishing i could go back 15 years and do this now. i was dumb enough to go to an ivy league for an unrelated degree, then change careers and go thru a bootcamp, and i'm now still 100's of thousands in debt. if i was growing up today i would absolutely drop everything to do this. kudos to shopify but it really feels a little bittersweet.
If we ignore pedigree and networking, how good (high quality material/curriculum, good lecturers) do public/affordable/free universities and colleges provide (in US)?
It's pretty hit or miss. I went to community college, and some classes were amazing others were a complete joke.
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#136This looks really neat. I wish I had the foresight years ago to join something like this or even do a straight cs track to a large company.
My path has been less linear. Finished college with an accounting degree then worked at two fortune 500 consulting companies. I spent my nights and weekends doing web development work on the side (even did a failed startup with a buddy). A full-time opportunity opened up from one of these gigs and I've been there since. Now I run all their applications, websites, IT, and digital advertising.
Whenever I see programs like this pop up I'm always intrigued to supplement professional work with an academic mark in the hat as I know things could wind-down here and will be on a job search leaving me nervous as a 30 y/o developer whose has been working at small businesses (and not anything like FAANG). This is why I'll still pick up freelance work from time to time.
For sanity about 2 years back, I did apply and went through a series of interviews and tests for a remote software engineering position at a hot bay area company. It came down between me and one other guy. They conducted additional interviews because it was quite close. I ended up getting beat out, the other guy had a few years on me.
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know you’re downvoted for saying something that’s basically unethical It was unethical for the system to push an 18 year old down the route of taking on huge loans. I'm not sure that finding a way out of that is.
> the system So we are going to absolve all 18 year olds of decision making because of 'the system'? As an 18 year old I was keenly aware of debt. My college experience was going to a local school while working 20-30 hours/week and living at home. All because we didn't have much money, and I wanted to take as few loans as possible. So maybe this persons parents and primary school failed them, but I don't buy it was t…
When listings for unskilled or low skilled jobs state things like "must have a degree and be able to life 50 lbs" then I think you can conclude there is a problem with the system.
Blaming the parents or primary school is useless because this person had no control over who their parents were or what school they went to.
I'm glad you had some self awareness at 18 but that isn't the norm as we can see from the rising student debt.
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#138It's wonderful to see this on the front page. I'm currently a student at the Lassonde School of Engineering at York University studying software engineering and heavily involved in the school community. The Lassonde School of Engineering opened 8 years ago with a fervour for Innovation and Entrepreneurship. I suggest folks give the school a Google search as it has rapidly developed to become a phenomenonal environmen…
How do you feel about York's CS program in terms of helping students be competitive candidates? At some Toronto companies it sometimes feels like they prefer U Waterloo CS or Engineering grads.
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#139This is cool. But very conflicting for me personally. Here I am, deciding whether to apply to the Mississippi Teacher's Corp, which would give me a free Master's degree while getting paid to teach. Probably like $35k per year. And then here is this program, which is very tempting to apply to, partly because of the salary. It should be the other way around. Teaching is so much more valuable than coding.
Wait is this for Master's degree too?
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#140This is cool. But very conflicting for me personally. Here I am, deciding whether to apply to the Mississippi Teacher's Corp, which would give me a free Master's degree while getting paid to teach. Probably like $35k per year. And then here is this program, which is very tempting to apply to, partly because of the salary. It should be the other way around. Teaching is so much more valuable than coding.
As a somewhat weak rule, compensation seems to be inversely proportional to social value.
Not to shill a book, but Bullshit Jobs goes into this... those 'jobs like teaching are FUN' therefore they don't get paid as much.