Where is the part on how Finland has been deporting Iraqi refugees.
In a different article, surely?
Finland is the only EU country where homelessness is in decline
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
You'd be surprised how many "diseases" can be treated with the same cure. Mental health issues of all kinds, obesity, heart disease, Alzheimers, and diabetes can all be treated/prevented with exercise and a good diet. At a certain point you have to wonder if a disease is a disease or if it's just what happens when you throw a bunch of explosive wrenches into the complex human machine
This is objectively false. Schizoaffective disorders, bipolar disorder, and most other serious mental illnesses are not treated with diet and exercise, nor is bad diet or poor exercise the cause of serious mental illnesses.
I said CAN be treated. Whether or not mental illnesses are COMMONLY treated that way is another argument. It is a fact that all serious mental illnesses are greatly influenced by diet and exercise, including Schizoaffective disorders and bipolar disorder
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#133Finland is the only country in the EU that has figured out that people need to fulfill the lower levels of Maslow's hierarchy first before starting on the higher levels? Are you fucking kidding me? A college student could come up with this plan. Why isn't everyone doing it? Oh yes, I forgot about the part where it's necessary for society and government to be cruel to the homeless to demonstrate to everyone else that ... blah blah something or other stupid argument from cruel, heartless, unempathetic assholes goes here.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
>With a free immigration policy this would be more difficult both culturally and in terms of costs. i don't understand what this has to do with anything? is this unique to the immigration patterns in Finland (that immigrants end up homeless?) in america the homeless are primarily black and white people (not recent immigrants) https://endhomelessness.org/resource/racial-disparities-home... >How does Finland get it's w…
The homeless population in Finland is ethically and culturely similiar to the population which allows them to identify and provide support. The same conditions do not exist in the US. This doesn't extend to others. Finland doesn't provide the same level of support to the poorest nations. The US does. How progressive are we if we help ourselves / our families and people who are genetically like us but we don't provide…
>The same conditions do not exist in the US.
literally false according to the stats i posted that you didn't read (or discounted).
>How progressive are we if we help ourselves / our families and people who are genetically like us but we don't provide the same support to other poorer nations.
i don't understand? are you mad at finland for not being progressive enough? originally your point was the US couldn't be as progressive as finland is because of oil? and immigrants? i don't think you have a coherent point.
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#135For some perspective: Finalnd's military budget: 300 million US military budget: 700 BILLION The US could dump a lot of money into these social services to address people who are homeless, drug addicts, and other people on the fringes of society. We are however, constantly put in a place where other nations depend on us for their security. As such, they don't have to have a massive defensive budget when they can rely…
Oregon's budget for retired state employees: $100 Billion I tried to find the same for California, but it seems they do a better job of hiding it. My point is that we are spending a tremendous amount of money on former government employees, so they can have nice homes, good healthcare, and a quality education for their children. But in the process, we're neglecting a large portion of the population that those people…
Yes, how terrible that we are fulfilling our contractual obligations to people who have worked for decades in our government. It's a travesty indeed! Should we just exterminate them in camps now that they are of no use to us? Or what would you propose?
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Assuming, of course, that if Finland had to provide for its own defense (rather than relying on us), they would still have money left over for social programs.
1. USA cuts military budget 2. Russia invades Finland. USA does nothing. 3. Homelessness in Finland peaks
Finland has always prepared to defend a Russian attack alone, for obvious historical reasons. Russia being a superpower, or trying to be at least, means the selected defence doctrine is to make an attack too expensive to be worth it. Definitely isn't depending on US military intervention -- last time around US was siding with the Soviets, after all.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's almost what the Finnish system requires: https://helda.helsinki.fi/bitstream/handle/10138/231986/comp... "The current Finnish Mental Health Act stipulates thefollowing criteria for compulsory admission: .a person should be found to have a psychotic illness,and .because of this psychosis, they are (.in need of psychiatric care as their condition would otherwise worsen [this is the main different criterion], or…
You can imagine how that’s an artifact of a more socialized health system. Perhaps unintentionally, it would function in many ways as a cost saving feature that would be very difficult to implement in the US system. Think about junkies. Can they be involuntarily committed because their condition would “otherwise worsen”? Imagine the legal implications in a system where hmo and insurers get to influence the decision a…
Or imagine a woman who has children out of wedlock, causing financial distress. Obviously, if she's not institutionalized she'll continue to have children out of wedlock, which will cause her condition to worsen.
And only a mentally ill person would have children out of wedlock, right?
And before you say that that's unrealistic... I'm pretty sure that that exact logic was used to institutionalize people in the US back in the 20s and 30s.
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#138"Those affected by homelessness receive a small apartment and counselling – without any preconditions." I doubt it will work in Finland in the long run, and even if it does, Finland and the U.S. have very different populations. Most Americans work to put a roof over their head, and it's unfair to them to "unconditionally" give some people housing. It's also a big disincentive to work. The current unemployment rate is…
They're different because they have compassion and empathy? Yeah we could have that too if this toxic, hateful, cruel attitude you describe didn't exist.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not correct. The Finnish military budget is 3.2 billion Euros ($3.6B). On top of that, Finland has a universal male conscription, costs of which are not included. (I.e. the opportunity cost of being in the army) Source: https://www.defmin.fi/files/4804/Puolustusministerion_hallin...
My bad, I was actually reading the chart wrong: https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/military-expenditure Military Expenditure in Finland increased to 3615 USD Million in 2018 from 3430 USD Million in 2017. Which you're correct, it's actually 3.6 Billion. US military spending still dwarfs Finland's, but not nearly as paltry as I had originally stated.
Others have additionally already pointed out how Finland isn't in NATO either. The defence doesn't expect or imagine US intervention, but also doesn't expect a nuke attack. Defence matching the threat, full conscription and modern cost-conscious armament purchases to counter the long land border with Russia.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
The homeless population in Finland is ethically and culturely similiar to the population which allows them to identify and provide support. The same conditions do not exist in the US. This doesn't extend to others. Finland doesn't provide the same level of support to the poorest nations. The US does. How progressive are we if we help ourselves / our families and people who are genetically like us but we don't provide…
>The same conditions do not exist in the US. literally false according to the stats i posted that you didn't read (or discounted). >How progressive are we if we help ourselves / our families and people who are genetically like us but we don't provide the same support to other poorer nations. i don't understand? are you mad at finland for not being progressive enough? originally your point was the US couldn't be as pr…
An open immigration and generous foreign aid policy makes the US more progressive in some areas compared to Finland.
No one is mad at Finland for not providing more external support. I hope my discussion points have caused you to open your mind around global progressive policy. It is never as simple as the headline seems.
"Literally false according to the stats i posted that you didn't read (or discounted"
Finland is made up of one ethnic group, the US many. That link had no relation to my point.