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Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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It doesn’t sound like the suggestion was made on the basis of water usage. Full quote FTA: > “Get rid of your lawns,” she said. “Lawns are total biological deserts. It’s just grass with pesticides. The way it’s grown does not support a lot of biodiversity.”

It is not obvious to me why I'd want my front yard to be teeming with insects.

I've planted quite a few bee friendly plants in our garden - I find even the sound of bees to be utterly relaxing.

Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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> “Get rid of your lawns,” she said. “Lawns are total biological deserts. It’s just grass with pesticides. The way it’s grown does not support a lot of biodiversity.” > Instead, plant native flowers that provide nectar and pollen for pollinators, Berenbaum said. I see this a lot recently where I live in Germany, but at the same time I see the opposite as well. Lawn replaced by gravel, often pitch black one. I don't m…

I see similiar things in Austria. I'm pretty shure it's a mainstream trend that plays into people's urge to take control over nature and remove all rogue elements from their lawns and will be replaced by whatever trend the industry comes up when the market is saturated.

My wife and I feel like we are being looked down on by some of our neighbors because we only maw our lawn twice a year and don't use store bought fertilizer or any pesticides. Before our neighbors gave up on us they would tell us a lot about having to get rid of all stinging nettles (especially after getting children!) and the need for yearly scarifying the grass area (which we are actually trying to turn into a rough pasture) and cutting every bush down to a single twig every year so it wouldn't get out of control.

The good news is, if you talk to those people about your own rationale, they sometimes tend to soften their position or even change it completely and relax themselves a bit. Personally I can't wait the day I can sit outside during spring or summer and not be surrounded by the constant buzz of lawnmowers.

Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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Could you elaborate why that is?

They can run around on it, play ball games with their mates, you can put down a slip 'n slide in the summer, there's room for a trampoline etc. etc.

I'd guess you could do all of this on a meadow as well.

Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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Because your world depends on them.

Get back to me when you can actually show that my world depends on a variety of insects contained within a single square mile.

Your world doesn’t see much change if you open a can of Freon on the front porch every day.

But if doing that was as pervasive as owning a lawn? You’d bet[1].

[1] https://www.epa.gov/ods-phaseout

Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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Why do lawns even factor into the equation when the reality is that industry, farms, etc. own the majority of all water usage? I live in a desert area and hate seeing lawns watered in the middle of the summer but its impact seems trivial. Agriculture is a major user of ground and surface water in the United States, accounting for approximately 80 percent of the Nation's consumptive water use and over 90 percent in ma…

Regarding why lawns even factor, bear in mind TFA is from a media station and the advice to get rid of one’s lawn is likely targeted to people as a small tactical contribution to make.

When you get people to make small changes like this, they’re more likely to support big changes in polls and at the ballot box. That’s the lever by which one moves government and industry.

Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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post #52

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> ... would be to cut out bovine meat. The somewhat ludicrous figure provided at that link - of 15,415 litres of water per kilogram of meat - is oft' cited by vegetarians and vegans, but doesn't bear scrutiny. CAFOs are undeniably bad for everyone (the land, the animals, and the consumers) and while they doubtless skew the stats, those grossly artificial environments are clearly not locking up 15 tonnes of water per…

> But the whole 'using water' claim is muddied. The water the animal drinks passes through it and into the ground. Yes, it's not like the water is destroyed. It may be diverted from directly flowing into a river, sure, and perhaps goes straight back to the atmosphere rather than into the sea via evaporation, exhalation, and transpiration... but it's not gone .

I don't really see the point of this argument, isn't this true for basically _all_ water usage?

Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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The article seems sloppy. It’s just grass with pesticides. I take care of about two acres of lawns across a few properties for a few decades. I’ve never put pesticides on the lawns. Herbicides, sure, sometimes lots of herbicides, but all very much plant specific. I suppose some places must use pesticides, but here in the middle of the US grass just sort of uses sun, water, nitrogen, and some other stuff and grows. Al…

> I’ve never put pesticides on the lawns. Herbicides, sure, sometimes lots of herbicides, but all very much plant specific. Herbicides—like insecticides, fungicides, and rodenticides—are a subset of pesticides. So it is impossible for you to never have put pesticides on the lawns if you have put herbicides on them.

Yeah, an herbicide like triclopyr breaks down quickly, but still can bioaccumulate in wildlife and humans need proper protection during application [1].

Also, glyphosate (RoundUp) is debated as far as safety... and unfortunately for Monsanto, they got too cozy with the EPA and trying to ghostwrite positive scientific studies that no matter the scientific evidence one way or another, a jury found them responsible for causing cancer in civil trials. [2]

[1] http://www.npic.orst.edu/factsheets/triclogen.pdf [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/05/30/727914874/sa...

Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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> “Get rid of your lawns,” she said. “Lawns are total biological deserts. It’s just grass with pesticides. The way it’s grown does not support a lot of biodiversity.” > Instead, plant native flowers that provide nectar and pollen for pollinators, Berenbaum said. I see this a lot recently where I live in Germany, but at the same time I see the opposite as well. Lawn replaced by gravel, often pitch black one. I don't m…

Trends like this are essentially like fashion, but applied to gardens (well, the area around your house, I guess at one point it stops being qualified as 'garden'). I.e. pushed by industry/magazines/..., copied by people seeing other people doing it etc. Usually goes in cycles so in a couple of years it might be different again. Hopefully not lawns again, but actually I don't see it impossible that just like in fashion, what is now sort of subculture becomes mainstream and gets adopted by the masses and we'll get a ton of wild gardens.

Re: Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’

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post #126

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> I have to do a lot less maintenance, and when I do it's more varied and interesting. The irony is that people think a lawn is easier to maintain because it looks simpler

It is simpler in the sense that there is not really any thought required. I have to mow my small lawn every three weeks or so, true, but I know how to do that, because it's the same thing everybody does and you grow up watching your parents mow the lawn. It requires no judgement skills, and no gardening skills -- just run the mower over all the grass, and you're done. I would actually potentially be interested in hav…

Keeping grass is simpler than that.

Just mowing less isn't perhaps simpler by the definition of it but is way better for biodiversity. You could try it in just a small piece of your current lawn and see what happens. Mow once near the end of spring and again once 3 to 4 months later. Shouldn't take long before native flowering plants will pop up.

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