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ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Post by EduardoBautista »

snowron6 wrote: post #122
jamwaffles wrote: post #7

I moved over to Fastmail from ProtonMail a few weeks ago. I think if you value the encryption and privacy and don’t mind the lack of basic stuff like threading in the mobile app or IMAP integration, ProtonMail is fully worth it. That said, for me I just want a well featured email/calendar service that can replace gmail once Gewgle fucked us over with Inbox. Fastmail does that for me and provides a lot less friction w…

They have IMAP, you just have to install a program they call the bridge. I use the Linux version that's still in beta and have had no issues with it so far.

There is no bridge for iOS or Android. Also no bridge for their calendar at the moment.

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Post by tasn »

dddw wrote: post #125
tasn wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EteSync[1] has been around for a few years now. It's fully open source and offers secure, end-to-end encrypted, and privacy respecting sync for your contacts, calendars and tasks. Sounds like what you're looking for... [1]: https://www.etesync.com/ Disclaimer: I created it.

it's based on davdroid / davx5 ?

Years ago, when it was first created, the code was forked from davdroid, though it diverged quite a bit because the other than the part that interacts with the Android system, they are quite different.

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Post by SahAssar »

tuananh wrote: post #121
wstrange wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm pretty sure they do mine emails for their own ad targeting. They do not. See https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en "We will not scan or read your Gmail messages to show you ads."

> "We will not scan or read your Gmail messages to show you ads." that reads to me like ""We may do it for other purposes."

Well, if they didn't you wouldn't be able to search in your inbox, among other things.

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Post by supercommand »

dastx wrote: post #112
EduardoBautista wrote: post #8

I recently left ProtonMail and went back to Fastmail. My reason was that they will never be able to fully support IMAP and now CalDAV because of the encryption they use. I grew to accept that email is not for secure messaging and my paranoia of "I'm being watched" just went away. If you need secure messaging, use something other than email.

Please note that Fastmail is an Australian service. I would not trust Fastmail with my email privacy. Not because of the company, but because of the encryption laws in Australia. Food for thought.

Are you suggesting isp’s are more trustworthy in America?

Because you’ve got to get your email over someone’s pipes eventually.

Fastmail is excellent. If you want secure/private/not easily spoofable by a 5 year old and you’re using email.... then you’re doing it all wrong.

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Post by supercommand »

riddlemethat wrote: post #129
EduardoBautista wrote: post #8

I recently left ProtonMail and went back to Fastmail. My reason was that they will never be able to fully support IMAP and now CalDAV because of the encryption they use. I grew to accept that email is not for secure messaging and my paranoia of "I'm being watched" just went away. If you need secure messaging, use something other than email.

Fastmail doesn’t offer phone support for paid users. I have an account with them and spent months troubleshooting a carddav sync issue with my two Mac computers before giving up and switching contacts over to iCloud. Proton mail seems pretty hungry for business. I inquired for a paid plan and they follow up all the time with sales people who have unique email addresses.

Interesting maybe try a fresh contact import on your macs? I know about 20+ people who use IMacs iPhones and MacBooks with fastmail and have no syncing issues.

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Post by osn9363739 »

dastx wrote: post #112
EduardoBautista wrote: post #8

I recently left ProtonMail and went back to Fastmail. My reason was that they will never be able to fully support IMAP and now CalDAV because of the encryption they use. I grew to accept that email is not for secure messaging and my paranoia of "I'm being watched" just went away. If you need secure messaging, use something other than email.

Please note that Fastmail is an Australian service. I would not trust Fastmail with my email privacy. Not because of the company, but because of the encryption laws in Australia. Food for thought.

I don't understand. Email isn't encrypted is it?

And what can the Australian government do that the US government can't these days?

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Post by tinus_hn »

wstrange wrote: post #62
mdp wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came to a similar conclusion. You should write every email as if it were public, because it's entirely likely that it will be. They can be forwarded, made public through legal discovery, or exposed in a data breach (eg. Sony/North Korea). Forget security for a second, imagining every email as public record will make you more considerate and less biased writer. And from a business perspective, email should be viewed…

I agree with most of what you have written, but this: > doesn't mean I want Google getting a free pass to mine and sell my data. AFAIK, they don't do that with gmail. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? We need to hold Google's feet to fire on privacy, but it is also important that we do not exaggerate or distort the facts.

Google does mine email but does not sell the data.

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Post by tinus_hn »

wstrange wrote: post #118
thebean11 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exact behavior of Google are we talking about here? I'm pretty sure they do mine emails for their own ad targeting. On the other hand, I'm equally sure they handle the information securely and don't pass it on to anyone else.

> I'm pretty sure they do mine emails for their own ad targeting. They do not. See https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en "We will not scan or read your Gmail messages to show you ads."

Yet, they state

https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en

> Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored.

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Post by naniwaduni »

tinus_hn wrote: post #138
wstrange wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of what you have written, but this: > doesn't mean I want Google getting a free pass to mine and sell my data. AFAIK, they don't do that with gmail. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? We need to hold Google's feet to fire on privacy, but it is also important that we do not exaggerate or distort the facts.

Google does mine email but does not sell the data.

... because they find it more profitable to retain exclusivity over the data, sure.
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