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Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Wikileaks does not have a faultless record. For example: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-hel...

That's an example of "like him or not", it's not a retraction and nothing published was false.

It's a contradiction to the claim he simply acted as a reporter: reporters don't release private information concerning no matter of public concern of people who are in no respect public figures.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Wikileaks has a faultless record. They’ve never had to retract a publication. Assange, like him not not, was a reporter, who reported uncomfortable facts about the military and our ruling class. He is being punished, tortured really for this “crime”. He has been endlessly and baselessly slandered. All that alleged bad behaviour while he was imprisoned in the embassy ... funny how there’s been no footage of it, despit…

> funny how there’s been no footage of it, despite the fact that he was under 24/7 surveillance!

There wouldn’t be. It’s an embassy. The met aren’t daft enough to do anything other than watch the front door.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Are there any other sources on this?

The "news" part is that he had a phone call with a friend. Primary source is the friend (Vaughan Smith). It's on his Twitter: https://twitter.com/VaughanSmith/status/1210278654615474176 For the torture part, which is not news, please see The United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture: https://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N... Primary Source for the cited open letter https://medium.com/@doctors…

There doesn't appear to be any reliable evidence that Assange is being held in solitary confinement. The original source for this seems to be his father, who claimed several months ago that he was being held in solitary for "up to" 23 hours a day.

There have been photos leaked by another person showing Assange looking relaxed interacting with other inmates. The leaker claimed that Assange was popular among the other prisoners.

In fact, Nils Melzer himself has confirmed Assange is not in solitary, but is apparently being "tortured" for other reasons. It is not clear why these reasons don't apply to every other prisoner on remand in Belmarsh.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Having him 23 h a day in solitary confinement and not allowing him to call his mom seems a bit harsh, if they are concerned that he's a flight risk.

I would think he's in protective custody because he would be in extreme danger in general population. He's a celebrity and would likely be viewed as rapist and traitor (the facts don't matter, what matters is what the other criminals would think). A good question is whether he needs to be held in a maximum security facility. He's a bail flight risk, but is he an escape risk? I would think he's at most a moderate esca…

Remand prisoners don’t progress through the security categories. You’re Cat C with some extra privileges, and that’s your lot.

HMPS are solely responsible for the conditions in which somebody is held, the legal team can do nothing for him.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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I was part of a news and current events Facebook group a few years ago, when WikiLeaks was primarily known for leaking evidence of the US Military's abuses in the middle East. Most of the people in this group were Democrats or otherwise on the Left. They cheered WikiLeaks and loved that it was exposing the abuses of a group they didn't like. Fast forward to 2016, and WikiLeaks begins publishing damaging information r…

True idealists are not that common. You know, the people that will go against peers and dispassionately explore their own and others behavior, thinking and inclinations out of some weird desire to understand the world around them more completely, or to follow some abstract ideal more consistently.

I think your expectations of some random FB group were a bit too high in the first place.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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The grandparent said Wikileaks has a faultless record, which they don't. The rest is special pleading.

The grandparent very clearly defined what they mean by that. Assange hasn't had to make any retractions.

But not a faultless record.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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uk, usa and aus are basically killing this man, with no fair trial.

Literally torturing him to a slow death, after doing their utmost to smear his reputation, and a decade of separating him from his family. Then there's the mysterious disappearing of his friends, and presidential candidates laughing about droning him. It sure would be nice to see the tech community challenge the worst of the disinfo and rally behind truth.

You're not doing a very good job of whatever it is you are claiming to support (why not post some information?). Julian Assange is a Russian asset and is getting what he deserves via due process in a court of law.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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post #27

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He had a fair trial for the crime of jumping bail, and has been jailed for it.

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that his trial was fair? The only coverage I've seen of the trial, which has been remarkably quiet, alleges extreme US interference: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/assange-in-c... Jullian's father is going around the world telling people how brutally corrupt this all is, and how he fears for his son's life. The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture agrees with hi…

The actual sentencing remarks:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/sentenci...

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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That's not how the entire fabric of international law works though. Citizenship and postal address are irrelevant. If you break the law in another country and there is an extradition treaty then you will face the consequences.

So if I buy something from a Saudi Arabian e-commerce site am I at risk for extradition from Ireland to Saudi Arabia for the capital offense of being gay? Clearly I was gay while doing stuff online on a Saudi Arabian server.

No, you couldn't be extradited from Ireland for being gay because it's not illegal to be gay in Ireland. It has to be a crime in both countries.

But in general, questions of jurisdiction are complicated. They're settled by courts, not by what people say on the internet.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Snowden had already exfiltrated the documents by the time he coordinated with journalists to publish them. Assange allegedly instructed Manning on how to exfiltrate the documents and directed Manning’s exfiltration process. Publishing is protected by the first amendment, stealing classified documents is not and ergo conspiracy to steal documents is not.

Manning knew how to extract the documents already, Assange attempted to help her do it more anonymously. Trying to protect your source is the duty of the press.

"Assange attempted to help her"

Aiding and abetting.

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