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There was a time, probably late 60s to early 80s when western firms went into LatAm and had moderate success and the economies began to transition from (subsistence) farming to light manufacturing, but due to pop explosion ran into a gringo go home resistance. Wonder if China will manoeuver around that kind of thing.
"due to pop explosion ran into a gringo go home resistance" I wonder what else happened in the 60s... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
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Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
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Yes, but China benefits in several ways that temper this positive take. 1. by owning the (often insane) debt from the programs 2. by getting a lot of Chinese jobs in the country 3. by gaining influence over the country (at the expense of Western influence, if you see this as a competition. Another problem here, although it’s not a benefit to China, is that the quality of infrastructure built by China is often terribl…
Yes, China benefits tremendously. However the African countries reap some rewards too. It’s hard to take away infrastructure once it’s built short of starting a war. If the African countries can figure out how to maintain and add to all the new infrastructure, they may have the upper hand in the very long term.
Sri Lanka had to hand over a port for example.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-07/sri-lankans-protest-c...
Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
#133Ethiopia's GDP growth has been on a tear since 2000. [1] If you visit the capital, you can't miss the Chinese influence. Last time I was there, a huge Chinese bank building was going up kiddy corner to the Airport in Addis. BTW, if you haven't visited Ethiopia, put it on your list. It's an amazingly beautiful country. [1] https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&...
I'm actually going there in a exactly a month from now. I'll be staying there for ~5 weeks. Any advice on what to see or go do?
Some of my favorite spots in Addis:
1. National Museum of Ethiopia - Lucy and other early humans 2. Mount Entoto 3. Ethnological Museum - Haili Selassie's palace is here 4. Shiro Meda - street vendors. Take a Ethiopian friend to get the best deals. 5. Yod Abyssinian Traditional Restaurant - Traditional music and dancing. Worth going at least once. 6. Addis Ababa Golf Club - Fun place to catch lunch outdoors with some green space in Addis.
Outside:
1. Simien Mountains National Park 2. Church of Saint George 3. Blue Nile Falls 4. Danekil Depression
Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your first link is from 2011 and is about cost of devices, and your second is about data plans, not mobile call rates. I doubt your intention was to prove my point very loudly, but here we are.
Actually it's based on this data on mobile services cost: http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/ipb/ I included the data from 2011 because it includes mobile services cost whereas the other is newer but on data costs. Not sure what your point is at all other than to be pedantic and obfuscate the general point to be honest. The point being that african telecom costs are some of the highest in the world and this would be one us…
5 seconds on Google reveals that, surprise, you're right[1]; mobile data in Africa (as an example) is more expensive than elsewhere especially when considering relative income versus other regions, and there are few providers with limited competition. I think most readers understand what you're getting at, so it's better to disengage if another poster is being impolite!
Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your first link is from 2011 and is about cost of devices, and your second is about data plans, not mobile call rates. I doubt your intention was to prove my point very loudly, but here we are.
Actually it's based on this data on mobile services cost: http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/ipb/ I included the data from 2011 because it includes mobile services cost whereas the other is newer but on data costs. Not sure what your point is at all other than to be pedantic and obfuscate the general point to be honest. The point being that african telecom costs are some of the highest in the world and this would be one us…
I am curious about your thoughts on satellites as a particularly cost-effective way to improve mobile telecoms, considering that cellular networks are largely driven by masts that are very much on the ground and (in West Africa for instance), backed by submarine fibre-optic cables.
As an aside, it's extremely interesting to me that in most of my interactions with Westerners they seem rather incapable of finding very easily discoverable primary sources on living conditions in Africa. It would take maybe ten seconds to pull up actual December 2019 call rates and tariff plans from telecoms companies in Ethiopia or Nigeria or Rwanda or Botswana or wherever, but I instead get linked to data that aggregates mobile device and data plan prices from years ago. Then again I suppose that if one unironically believes that people here are stuck unable to call people in the next village it wouldn't occur to them that this sort of information is widely available from Africans themselves.
For example, I use MTN and pay a flat rate of (the equivalent of) $0.0003 per second for calls and $0.011 to send texts. I'm on a 15GB data plan that costs $13.83, and the monthly plans go down to $2.77 for 1.5GB. There are also plans that will give you access to certain social media (Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp, Instagram, etc) for a month for less than a dollar.
Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually it's based on this data on mobile services cost: http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/ipb/ I included the data from 2011 because it includes mobile services cost whereas the other is newer but on data costs. Not sure what your point is at all other than to be pedantic and obfuscate the general point to be honest. The point being that african telecom costs are some of the highest in the world and this would be one us…
I think the other poster is trolling and intentionally strawmanning against your mild embellishment you used to make a point. It's not worth continuing a discussion with that person. 5 seconds on Google reveals that, surprise, you're right[1]; mobile data in Africa (as an example) is more expensive than elsewhere especially when considering relative income versus other regions, and there are few providers with limite…
I do find it impressive how you link an article that talks about the actual solution already being implemented to drive down mobile internet costs in SSA - expanding the existent fibre-optic cable networks like MainOne and stimulating the growth of the local telecoms providers - to apparently support the idea that we're trying to launch satellites to get better internet (or, as per the original post, call rates within a country. Have you ever actually used a satellite phone?)
Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
#137Reading this headline I remember my grandmother, who donated 10 bucks every month for years to this famine ravaged country via some church charity. She died poor living on minimum pension. Nobody from Ethiopia ever thanked her.
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Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
#138Reading this headline I remember my grandmother, who donated 10 bucks every month for years to this famine ravaged country via some church charity. She died poor living on minimum pension. Nobody from Ethiopia ever thanked her.
Sadly, I came to the comments expecting some kind of othering and here it is right off the bat
Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
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The West will never step aggressively to the plate. We aren’t allowed to by our own domestic politics. One of the major reasons China can become so directly and aggressively involved is they aren’t white. They don’t have a history of African colonialism, Apartheid, or slavery in Africa. They’ve done all these (or similar) and worse, but not in Africa and not in a way which found domestic disapproval. If the West ever…
Let me guess, you are western and white, I ask because only a person of your demographic would dare to say that the Chinese has done even worse than the African slave trade, if you are going to mention the great leap forward I can easily mention WW1 and WW2 so I dont know where your sense of smug superiority comes from. I am not chinese by the way, nor "white".
Re: Ethiopia has launched its first satellite into space
#140There is a dead comment by someone whose grandma kept donating to charity for Ethiopia. The grandma died poor save the poster is upset that nobody from Ethiopia ever thanked her and now they are prospering. I don't like that comment, but it is actually quite interesting, especially if taken together with another comment on a parallel discussion about the huge growth in Africa and the very visible Chinese influence. I…
GDP per capita change for 2018 was negative for sub-saharan Africa: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locat... Be careful what you wish for: economic growth in Africa is going to come directly at the expense of the local and international environment, in the form of land clearance and coal and oil emissions. Africa desperately needs to stabilise its population, so that it can focus on infrastruct…
Would you please not create accounts to break the site rules with?