When will the Netherlands disappear?

Post by Hercuros » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 5:32 PM UTC

dtwest wrote: post #96

blunte wrote: post #23

I find it a bit ironic given the MIT climate simulator on HN yesterday - the biggest impact (in that simulator) to climate change was the land/agriculture methane. Right now the Dutch farmers are again harassing the country with their tractors on public roads, angry about what they feel is undue pressure to reduce their emissions. Maybe they'll get one or two more generations of farming as they hasten their own demis…

I do not know the details, but it is my understanding that the Netherlands exports a large amount of its agricultural production. One could say, let's only produce what we need, and methane production will go down. However, if that was done, all of the countries that rely on the Netherlands for agricultural imports would need to increase production or find somewhere else that would. There is no guarantee that using c…

Post by Udik » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

Hercuros wrote: post #131

dtwest wrote: post #96

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I do not know the details, but it is my understanding that the Netherlands exports a large amount of its agricultural production. One could say, let's only produce what we need, and methane production will go down. However, if that was done, all of the countries that rely on the Netherlands for agricultural imports would need to increase production or find somewhere else that would. There is no guarantee that using c…

Moving the production to a different country would be a solution, since the Netherlands is currently producing way more nitrogen per area of land than other European countries. Moreover, our nature areas are generally smaller and closer to agriculture. Therefore, nitrogen output has (had) a lot more impact on nature here than in other countries. More information can be found in this news article (Dutch): https://nos.…

Post by Hercuros » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 5:46 PM UTC

Udik wrote: post #133

Hercuros wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving the production to a different country would be a solution, since the Netherlands is currently producing way more nitrogen per area of land than other European countries. Moreover, our nature areas are generally smaller and closer to agriculture. Therefore, nitrogen output has (had) a lot more impact on nature here than in other countries. More information can be found in this news article (Dutch): https://nos.…

> Moving the production to a different country would be a solution, since the Netherlands is currently producing way more nitrogen per area of land than other European countries. Isn't this just because it is producing highly efficiently, at least in terms of land use? If you move the production elsewhere, it will consume the same amount if nitrogen on a wider area, so with worse impacts on wildlife and biodiversity.

Post by hnarn » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 6:04 PM UTC

cwbrandsma wrote: post #132

suby wrote: post #130

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Is there a solution that would work for Florida?

Evacuation...or build more homes on stilts. When does Florida become America's Venice?

Post by marcosdumay » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 6:10 PM UTC

blunte wrote: post #23

I find it a bit ironic given the MIT climate simulator on HN yesterday - the biggest impact (in that simulator) to climate change was the land/agriculture methane. Right now the Dutch farmers are again harassing the country with their tractors on public roads, angry about what they feel is undue pressure to reduce their emissions. Maybe they'll get one or two more generations of farming as they hasten their own demis…