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Re: Firefox Replay

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Post by bad_user »

scarface74 wrote: post #71
bad_user wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers in general are very influential. Not only among our family and friends, but also because our choices create a lock-in effect due to the nature of our work. When you use Chrome day in and out, your work is going to be optimized for Chrome and will work best on Chrome. This led to a Chrome-optimized web and while Google isn't necessarily to blame, we're back to the days of " works best in IExplorer 6 ". Comp…

Developers and computer geeks have been overestimating their influence for over a decade. If geeks were influential, the “year of the Linux desktop” would have been years ago, no one would be on Facebook, and people wouldn’t buy into Apple’s wall garden and people would care about “freedom”. Definitely no one would have bought the iPod since it “had less space than the Nomad and no wireless”. ( https://slashdot.org/s…

Not sure what you mean, but as an anecdote I quit using desktop Linux years ago and whenever I go to developer conferences, the majority are on MacOS and I think I see more people on Windows 10 than on Linux.

That people wouldn't buy into Apple stuff is a big assumption, because we did do just that, for better or worse. Speaking of which, I see many more successful commercial desktop apps for MacOS than for Windows or Linux combined, even if Windows still has a much bigger market share. And this happened since before Apple's App Store for MacOS became a thing.

I was also one of Facebook's early adopters, many of my programmer friends were too. Being from Romania, let me tell you, the early adopters here were all software developers ;-)

Re: Firefox Replay

#132

Post by middleload »

wruza wrote: post #87

As a former gnu/linux user, I see no point to have it on a desktop. Gnu is happy to live under c:/MSYS2, and ‘linux’ part was never good at desktop-home hardware anyway. These 1.77% are barely justified as an option, imo.

Just for perspective: 1% of 1 billion is 10 millions. That's a lot of people and then some.

Re: Firefox Replay

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Post by tonetheman »

dmos62 wrote: post #65
devit wrote: post #3

Why "Download Firefox Nightly for macOS"? Is it not supported on Linux and Windows? Why?

This blew me away a bit. Is MacOS this popular in the Web frontend crowd? I always felt that the price/quality ratio was way off with MacOS, compared to a good regular laptop. By good I mean top 10% ranked by price/quality. Even if it wasn't, Apple's general hostility towards consumers is infuriating. Right-to-repair is a banal example.

I think it is popular but it is an expensive laptop.

I have started using a Chromebook with 8G of memory and like it much more ... but I am probably in the minority. :(

Re: Firefox Replay

#134

Post by saturn_vk »

wruza wrote: post #130
davidy123 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what you're talking about. I've used Debian, then Ubuntu for decades. I'm lucky I don't need the few commercial apps that hold people back, so I get the advantages of everything just working, with a good package system that whole time. These days so much is available in the browser or distributed systems, it's even easier. As for 1.77% (excluding ChromeOS and Android based desktop apps, of course), I'm g…

I’m talking about numerous issues that I had with linux kernel (and alikes) on desktops and workstations for decades. My story is freebsd 4.x-7.0, then debian (codenames I forgot), then OSX 10.5-10.9, then unbuntu/mint since ~ 2014-2016 maybe (when gpu and os updates broke it again). I also supervised an entire office of debian/ubuntu + printers & scanners for few years. I’m not what you would call a regular linux ha…

I've had more problems with my brand new (2 month old) macbook pro, than with my 5 year old home linux laptop.

Re: Firefox Replay

#135

Post by danShumway »

wruza wrote: post #87

As a former gnu/linux user, I see no point to have it on a desktop. Gnu is happy to live under c:/MSYS2, and ‘linux’ part was never good at desktop-home hardware anyway. These 1.77% are barely justified as an option, imo.

I'm not going to get into a flame war over marketshare, because I couldn't care less -- from my perspective, there has never been a better time to use Linux on the desktop, and its never been in better shape than it is today.

That doesn't mean everything is perfect, or even good. I'll complain about HDPI scaling, touchscreen support, and security all day. There's some real stuff to improve.

But, I also take that criticism with a bit of perspective, and the truth is that Desktop Linux overall is really good, and it makes me more productive, and it makes my life better, and the overall direction that the desktop is moving is positive. There are things that Linux does better than any other modern OS, and I find that using it as a daily drive is un-complicatedly, un-idoiologically, purely-practically nice.

It wasn't nice in the past. When I was growing up, using Linux required pretty substantial sacrifices. I don't have the same reservations recommending something Ubuntu or Manjaro now that I used to have.

Even on the nontechnical side, if I'm going to provide computer support for someone, I usually stick them on Linux, because I have more control to simplify their environment and it's easier for me to quickly solve their problems. It's really good, I appreciate all the hard work that's gone into getting it here, and I'm optimistic about its future.

Re: Firefox Replay

#137

Post by Filligree »

booleandilemma wrote: post #110
scarface74 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers and computer geeks have been overestimating their influence for over a decade. If geeks were influential, the “year of the Linux desktop” would have been years ago, no one would be on Facebook, and people wouldn’t buy into Apple’s wall garden and people would care about “freedom”. Definitely no one would have bought the iPod since it “had less space than the Nomad and no wireless”. ( https://slashdot.org/s…

Dell once sold a “Developer Edition” laptop, so there is definitely a sizable market and developers do have some influence. https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebo...

They still sell a Linux variant of the XPS series, which works mostly fine. It's not a patch on the X1 Carbon, but it's functional.

Re: Firefox Replay

#138

Post by altShiftDev »

scarface74 wrote: post #71
bad_user wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers in general are very influential. Not only among our family and friends, but also because our choices create a lock-in effect due to the nature of our work. When you use Chrome day in and out, your work is going to be optimized for Chrome and will work best on Chrome. This led to a Chrome-optimized web and while Google isn't necessarily to blame, we're back to the days of " works best in IExplorer 6 ". Comp…

Developers and computer geeks have been overestimating their influence for over a decade. If geeks were influential, the “year of the Linux desktop” would have been years ago, no one would be on Facebook, and people wouldn’t buy into Apple’s wall garden and people would care about “freedom”. Definitely no one would have bought the iPod since it “had less space than the Nomad and no wireless”. ( https://slashdot.org/s…

> If geeks were influential, the “year of the Linux desktop” I don't see how that's relevant, if I set up or recommend Firefox on my parents computer with ad block they're going to trust me and use it over chrome/safari/edge. If I set up Linux instead of windows they're going to be extremely confused, annoyed and won't let me touch their computer again..

Geeks are extremely influential to their non technical friends but why would you ever impose Linux on them? I don't see how it would benefit them and you'd have to deal with the endless fallout and questions that arise.

Re: Firefox Replay

#139

Post by yowlingcat »

BoppreH wrote: post #90
inglor wrote: post #35

This is a pretty nice comment from the source that explains how it works: https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/11d9c7b7fa82fdfb8a... ``` // Recording and replaying works by controlling non-determinism in the browser: // non-deterministic behaviors are initially recorded, then later replayed // exactly to force the browser to behave deterministically. Two types of // non-deterministic behaviors are captured: intr…

Sounds like Mozilla is applying the concepts they developed for their C/C++ debugger, rr ( https://rr-project.org ).

Exactly what I was thinking. I wonder when Chrome's going release their version!

Re: Firefox Replay

#140

Post by _coveredInBees »

fireattack wrote: post #113
asutekku wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? A huge portion of developers uses Macs and windows support is coming at some point. Better to get an actual feedback from the developers.

People on HN don't seem to like it when some other companies start their product from one platform.

Nor do they like it when they do support all platforms from day one via an Electron app...
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