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Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by newfriend »

manux wrote: post #93
Animats wrote: post #84

OK, how about "Uber for toilets"? Clean a toilet, get paid. Cameras and machine learning to check what a clean and dirty toilet look like. Sign up, and you get access to cleaning supplies and can turn the hose on. Works like retrieving dockless scooters.

What's wrong with the city/state having properly paid employees doing the cleaning? Why the need to create _more_ precarious typically underpaid jobs? I really don't get it.

Because then you get massively overpaid jobs with no oversight, which taxpayers are forced to fund. [1]

SF already has massive taxes and too many overpaid workers, and the city is still a mess. There is no accountability. Throwing more money at it is not going to help.

> San Francisco’s budget totals an astounding $9.6 billion this year — more than the budgets of 13 states and scores of countries around the world [2]

> By far the biggest chunk goes to pay city employees. Almost half — $4.7 billion — is spent on the salaries and benefits of 30,626 city employees.

[1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/04/how-one-bay-area-janitor-mad...

[2]: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Billions-of-doll...

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by undersuit »

paggle wrote: post #129
Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

Why on earth wouldn't you want toilets for the homeless to have enough privacy for a drug deal? The alternative is having the drug deals done in public where I and my kids have to see it happen.

What's wrong with exchanging money and goods that you need to shield your children from? What about the events that happen after, injections of said goods?

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by deepakhj »

Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

SF tried to put Amsterdam style open urinals at Dolores Park and neighbors were up in arms.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by unethical_ban »

weberc2 wrote: post #108
ng12 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not at all a SF problem, it's a metropolitan city problem. NYC, Boston, Denver, Austin, Boise, both Portlands, etc all have the same housing crisis. The truth is well-paying (i.e. middle class) jobs are coalescing in a small number of cities which have failed to adapt to the growth. As a software engineer this means I can either make great money in one of the aforementioned cities or a fraction of it in an "off-…

> It's not at all a SF problem, it's a metropolitan city problem. NYC, Boston, Denver, Austin, Boise, both Portlands, etc all have the same housing crisis. I was responding to the claim that it's a state- or national-level problem. Perhaps you would argue that this meets some criteria for being a 'national-level' problem, but it's not obvious to me.

They're pointing out that in their opinion, the premise you're questioning is invalid, and if you wish to find the answer, look to a new premise.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by deepakhj »

MaupitiBlue wrote: post #27
Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

> Not enough privacy for a drug deal. That is SF. Drug deals are done in broad daylight.

True I've seen a lot of open drug dealing. Rich people do their drug deals inside their homes.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by mc32 »

dmode wrote: post #40

Mods - can we update the title to “San Francisco dog poop crisis” ? Note that the category of tickets in 311 is “Human / Animal waste”. I personally went through 100 random tickets on the sf data portal and found that 95% were either dog poop or miss classified (eg abandoned car or trash collection). People automatically read the headline and correlate to human waste.

I’m sure looking at numbers it’s going to be mostly dog poop.

There should NOT be ANY human poop at all!!!

That it’s even trivialized goes to show the growing acceptance of this phenomenon. On a few occasions I’ve seen people (perhaps transients or whatever) going behind bushes in plain daylight. I’ve seen it on sidewalks and also on public steps. That should not be a thing in a country that emerged from outhouses and such a century ago and understand cholera etc...

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by deepakhj »

danschumann wrote: post #13

You could actually enforce the laws and put people in safe jails with better living conditions than they have now, outside the city limits. It seems like being more and more lenient is not a solution to a problem getting worse and worse.

Jails is not the answer to the poop problem. Maybe more toilets?

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by paulddraper »

umeshunni wrote: post #83

More broadly, the San Francisco livability crisis is out of control. Poop is only a visible and easily disagreeable symptom of the broader problem. The local government can patch symptoms of the problem but some of them (housing, mental health, opioid epidemic) are state-level or national problems that the local government have very little power or ability to solve. Some of the law and order issues are issues the loc…

> state-level or national problems

Sincere question: Why does San Francisco seem to be the only one with those news stories (not NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami, etc.)?

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by undersuit »

eMSF wrote: post #117
triceratops wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The animal parts used for pet food may include damaged carcass parts, bones, and cheek meat, and organs such as intestines, kidneys, liver, lungs, udders, spleen, and stomach tissue"[1]. These are all byproducts of the meat industry for humans. Humans don't eat any of these animal parts. Pets are doing us a favor by eating all these things that would otherwise simply be thrown away, with a great deal of pollution in…

>Humans don't eat any of these animal parts People don't eat liver where you're from?

Black Pudding or Blood Sausage is a complete unknown in the US. Liver is reviled. Gizzards are occasionally sold in restaurants as an appetizer, fried. We don't need the offal from our animals because we can just buy a plastic jug of broth from the store.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by undersuit »

cwkoss wrote: post #106
dzhiurgis wrote: post #62

Can human genome be sequenced from human poop? With sequencing getting so cheap, this might be an cheap data source for Hooli and the likes.

In a dystopian future, pooping at shopping malls and retail establishments could be harvested by data brokers for advertising purposes.

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