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As an old school liberal, it pains me to see these activists described as "liberal". They don't even believe in freedom of speech for pity's sake, formerly a hallmark of being far right. Call them progressives, call them identity politics advocates, but whatever they are, they are not liberals. Don't lump us in with them.

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Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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It makes sense, if I was CEO and only 20% of employees were attending, and whatever I said at the meeting got leaked, I'd cancel them too. And I think most people would. Also, I think a lot of people just want to go to work and work, they don't care about politics or even business strategy.

Or convert the meetings into a vehicle for press disclosure.

"The purpose of a system is what it does."

(Hold my Beer.)

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More like “anyone who says racist, homophobic, sexist things is probably a racist, homophobe, or sexist”.

Sure, once you classify anyone who opposes, for e.g. illegal immigration, as a racist, everyone is a racist.

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US "left" is basically center though.

Really?? There are actual communists and anarchists winning elections in the US west coast these days (e.g. Sawant, a Marxist and Chesa Boudin, an anarchist who worked for Hugo Chavez).

You shouldn't use political outliers to represent a party. In the same state that Sawant is a city council member, there is a state congressmen, Shea, that advocated for a religious war and training children in a Holy Army.

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To be clear, "keep politics out of the workplace" is another way of saying "I'm okay with the status quo, and if you don't like it I don't want to hear about it at work".

I'm sorry you're getting downvoted. What you're saying is absolutely true -- keeping politics out of anything is endorsement of the status quo. And even more specifically, as it relates to the workplace, anything you build with your labor is endorsement of that thing . That endorsement may be (and often is) coerced, whether by circumstance of lack of resources, H-1B visa, et cetera. But pretending that the things we…

American freedom is the ability to earn a living and raise a family without paying a price for your political views. _Especially_ political views that you, zorpner, find reprehensible.

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I wonder if companies like Google and GitHub that actively courted activists are now regretting their decision. For a long time it was common knowledge that you would try to keep stuff like that out of the workplace. The past 10 years have been an about face to that strategy and now we're seeing more or less complete chaos internally at these previously pro-politics (some kinds of politics) workplaces. My guess is th…

Also Kickstarter, who is dealing with an internal unionization fight that's pitting the employees against each other.

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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What Google as a profit-seeking corporation does is not the same as the majority internal political culture amongst its employees.

So Google is a ' left to far left' company except when it's being 'right to far right' sometimes?

1) Yes, it's a giant company that does many things.

2) The thread is about the majority political position of its employees. This is entire separate from the actions as a corporation.

3) Many of things Google does that people think are "right-wing" have nothing to do with left-vs-right at all.

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More like “anyone who says racist, homophobic, sexist things is probably a racist, homophobe, or sexist”.

Except if they're a leftist, liberal type, of course. Or even an adherent of a "preferred" or "protected" religion. These get to say racist, sexist, homophobic things all day long, and none of their fellow activists would bat an eye.

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I think it's more that they actively courted assertive people with opinions and then created a culture where you can bring your whole self to work. They did this so that they could get the benefits of creativity, which inherently requires emotional engagement, which requires that you not repress your emotions. (It turns out that it's not possible to selectively repress emotions: "I've got to watch what I say about po…

You can be creative and still act like a professional in a professional environment. One example is advertising agencies, which in the last century (in spite of what you see on popular television) were very button-up places but created cultural touchstones we still know today. (Edited to clarity I'm referencing ad agencies in the 20th century, not the SV-wannabe agencies a few have evolved into today.)

I wish I could bold this comment and pin it to the top.

It's absolutely a false dichotomy to assert that there can either be creativity or there can be constraints.

As a game developer, I look no further than the numerous game jams with artificial constraints as evidence that creativity can flourish within the confines of constraints. One might even argue that creativity is given constructive direction by way of constraints.

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You can be creative and still act like a professional in a professional environment. One example is advertising agencies, which in the last century (in spite of what you see on popular television) were very button-up places but created cultural touchstones we still know today. (Edited to clarity I'm referencing ad agencies in the 20th century, not the SV-wannabe agencies a few have evolved into today.)

My brother worked in ad agencies, and this is the opposite of what he said. Tons of drinking and just generally bad behavior which would only be tolerated in the worst silicon valley startups. He moved to the startup world because it has a healthier work culture.

One of my first jobs out of college was for a digital agency. Shortly after I started we were bought by a very large ad agency and it was shocking how casual alcohol and drug use were at our parent company. Luckily we were insulated enough that it didn't permeant our culture until after I left.
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