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Lone Bitcoin Whale Likely Fueled 2017 Price Surge, Study Says

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Re: Lone Bitcoin Whale Likely Fueled 2017 Price Surge, Study Says

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Similarly, I try to add it to all my side-projects that accept payment. I looked at a few payment providers and settled on OpenNode, as they had the right mix of an easy API, quick support and good documentation, though I would like it if they supported more cryptocurrencies. If you want cryptocurrencies to succeed, you need to make them widespread as a form of payment. I already lament Steam and Stripe removing Bitc…

Unfortunately, Bitcoin as designed is technically incapable of being in widespread use for payment, due to a severe lack of network capacity, and a complete lack of interest in ever changing this. Instead, all effort is going into a building a flawed second layer that is theoretically unsound and a usability nightmare.

> Instead, all effort is going into a building a flawed second layer that is theoretically unsound and a usability nightmare.

I don't know much about LN and actually I'm quite sceptical about it. However I have tried it now couple of times with different wallets and it seems to work very fluently from user perspective. And saying this as a very old bitcoin user, so I'm used to sending bitcoin payments a lot, LN payments don't seem to differ that much from usability perspective. You scan the QR code/invoice and press send.

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Bitcoin would be the ~20th largest company in the S&P by market cap. Hardly a penny stock.

Bitcoin's "market cap" is completely imaginary.

There are companies offering completely useless software 'solutions' that don't even do their useless task well and many of them have stock prices that have grown 100% + since the bailouts, even if they haven't updated their technology since before then. How is the value of BTC more fake than that?

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> He could have sent it 'traditionally' but he would have been harassed about why he was sending money abroad and wasted considerable time and effort going to a physical bank branch. Instead in under a minute he sent me some Ethereum and we both were able to confirm the transaction near immediately Have you heard of options like TransferWise or OFX? They offer immediate transfers, lower transaction fees than ETH or B…

> BTC/ETH are 0-sum games, so on average nobody earns a dime of interest I would argue it is actually negative sum as billions of dollars worth is newly minted every year and a lot of that inevitability has to be sold to pay the miners electricity bills. I'm honestly shocked they haven't collapsed due to the never ending supply side pressure requiring billions of dollars worth of capital inflow every year.

The supply of Bitcoin is by design not "never ending" [1]. The future inflation rate is known and trending towards 0, eventually turning BTC deflationary.

[1] https://medium.com/@k_schellinger/understanding-bitcoins-21-...

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The more I know about cryptos, the more I remain skeptical. The only people I know that uses cryptos seriously are acquaintancies from latin america, and none of them for storing value, with the exception of Venezuelans. Not even argentinians, that just buy as many dollars they can. IMO this is a thread worth reading on this topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/dj2jro/the_large...

I've used it seriously. Paying people in countries without a functional banking system is a real problem and bitcoin nicely helped with that. I also collected some donations for reocities.com which helped to keep it alive. I never bought any, just mined a bit and I never sold any either.

> Paying people in countries without a functional banking system is a real problem and bitcoin nicely helped with that

Bitcoin isn't a solution to this problem because regions afflicted with non-functional banking systems have very little options for converting or spending bitcoin.

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The only way to find out is to watch a 20 minute video by a crypto nutter? Is there not a simple explanation for how Dai is pegged to the dollar?

DAI is a complex series of loans, borrowing, and interest that creates incentive to sell your DAI if it goes over $1 and incentive to buy if it goes below $1. DAI has basically maintained $1 for years even as ETH prices have been all over the place. It's battle tested. If you can't be bothered to do a few minutes of research on a complicated topic I don't know what you're doing here.

So you're basically telling me "it's complicated"? These "incentives" you mention require general faith on the part of traders that Dai really is worth $1, and given the incredibly low liquidity of USD/Dai trading, you can stay in fantasy land for a long time.

>If you can't be bothered to do a few minutes of research..

I'm not on HN to "learn" crypto, and you forget you're not on some crappy crypto forum.

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I've used it seriously. Paying people in countries without a functional banking system is a real problem and bitcoin nicely helped with that. I also collected some donations for reocities.com which helped to keep it alive. I never bought any, just mined a bit and I never sold any either.

Similarly, I try to add it to all my side-projects that accept payment. I looked at a few payment providers and settled on OpenNode, as they had the right mix of an easy API, quick support and good documentation, though I would like it if they supported more cryptocurrencies. If you want cryptocurrencies to succeed, you need to make them widespread as a form of payment. I already lament Steam and Stripe removing Bitc…

We were one of Stripe’s early Bitcoin integration users. I even got a free T-shirt for finding bugs in their documentation. In the years that it was enabled (until Stripe ended support) we never received a single payment in Bitcoin.

There’s a large portion of the population who have no compelling reason to use Bitcoin.

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> none of them for storing value That one is a plus. Money is a transactional tool, speculation and storing value do not add to its main value. As an aside, everybody that I know that ever brought some crypto coin did it for speculation. The more likely explanation is that I'm looking at the wrong country, but if speculation suddenly stoped being a main use of BTC, I would start to seriously look at it.

Storing value is considered to be one of the three functions of money [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money#Functions ]. And the fact that BTC's value fluctuates so wildly (in an era where fiat currencies like the dollar tend to remain a lot more stable) is one of the obstacles to mass adoption. It turns out that making a currency behave "gold-like" carried with it the disadvantages to the gold standard that induced…

What he should have said is the focus on being a store of value, while rejecting the other functions (high fees work against being a medium of exchange).

In practice when people say "store of value" they mean "speculative vehicle that will make me rich".

That is the real problem that's causing volatility and making cryptocurrencies worse at it's intense purpose: as money.

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>Earning interest He's talking about "DeFi" ("distributed finance") - the current craze in the Ethereum world. Various groups are offering significant interest rates for loaning out your Eth. It's hard to see how it's not another speculation bubble waiting to burst.

DeFi loans are typically very over-collaterized. Due to this, they represent way less of a risk to the economy than traditional credit.

How much collateral do you need for an asset that is as volatile as a cryptocurrency?

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The more I know about cryptos, the more I remain skeptical. The only people I know that uses cryptos seriously are acquaintancies from latin america, and none of them for storing value, with the exception of Venezuelans. Not even argentinians, that just buy as many dollars they can. IMO this is a thread worth reading on this topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/dj2jro/the_large...

Even in Venezuela, with their huge currency issues, Bitcoin makes up only hundredths of a percentage point of transactions (I did the math in a comment elsewhere but I’m on mobile right now)
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