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The China Cultural Clash

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Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Post by yorwba »

monkbent wrote: post #89
yorwba wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even worse, the search term in the image is "火影" (Naruto, EDIT: the series, not the character; the Chinese name of the series refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Naruto_characters#Hoka... ). No wonder they're getting results completely unrelated to basketball.

This was a mistake, since fixed, but even then there are no basketball references

Yeah, now it's "Rocket Girls 101" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Girls_101

Probably censorship, but including "篮球" in the query would make it a lot more obvious whether the Houston Rockets are suppressed intentionally or not.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Post by tpmx »

dmix wrote: post #35
tpmx wrote: post #4

This article frames this as the US vs China, but it's really been the "Western world" vs China. And the western world has been incredibly naive and uncoordinated when it comes to dealing with China. We've all accepted the incredibly one-sided deal, in some kind of idealistic hope that the Chinese would latch on to "western" values of democracy etc just by trading with us. Edit: World -> Western world.

The US is still special in this context where free speech is really taken to heart and extends to not only dissent against the government but even vile extremely unpopular political opinions are protected ...which is something you don't always find in every western country. For example, in Charlottesville 2017 [1] the local government tried to prevent Neo-nazis from using a park for a protest but ACLU sued the gov an…

I'd like to say you're wrong... but anti free speech legislation is growing like mad in Europe. :/

(Of course it's always under the guise of "harmony". F*ck, we're beginning to resemble the PRC.)

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Post by jimclegg »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #108
zarro wrote: post #41

I see lots of Anti-China sentiment. I would be very careful here into not falling into their deliberate trap of making "The West" China's "Enemy". China in its current totalitarian form needs an "Enemy" to survive, without it, it has to deal with difficult internal questions which will force it to adapt and change - and this what scares them. Totalitarian governments rely on distraction and misdirection of the popula…

> Thus the best way "oppose a government that is the sworn enemy of values you regard as precious" is to allow it to face its internal discord without giving it the "enemy" it so desperately needs as ammunition to use against you. If the CCP wants to make the US out as China's enemy, they'll make us out to be their enemy, even if they have to lie and distort to do so. The CCP has near-total control of the PRC's domes…

Lot of truth to the funding sources for HK protests originating in the west even if the protestors believe in what they are fighting for.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Post by president »

One misstep of the American education system is the lack of attention paid to Chinese/Asian history. I believe a big part of the indifference and ignorance of American citizens to the China problem, let alone policy makers is that they don't understand how Chinese people think. This is evident by the blunders by Bush and Clinton that brought us to where we are today with regards to China's rising hegemony.

Our idea of Chinese people has come to be shaped by Hollywood and media portraying them as weak, geeky, and innocent when in reality the Chinese mindset is extremely subtle, resourceful, calculated, opportunistic, and oftentimes underhanded. These are the characteristics that have launched the Chinese into the forefront and should be understood from anyone that has studied even a lick of Chinese history. Armed with this knowledge, we will be better off in protecting our democratic interests in the long term.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Post by jimclegg »

brobinson wrote: post #86
zarro wrote: post #41

I see lots of Anti-China sentiment. I would be very careful here into not falling into their deliberate trap of making "The West" China's "Enemy". China in its current totalitarian form needs an "Enemy" to survive, without it, it has to deal with difficult internal questions which will force it to adapt and change - and this what scares them. Totalitarian governments rely on distraction and misdirection of the popula…

When the government has 100% control of the media that the population consumes, how can the "enemy" ever appear to be anything other than the enemy to the people? Anything the "enemy" does can be spun into an attack/insult/weakness/capitulation.

This is the problem with only having 4-5 media companies as well, you have a point.

Every media organization aligned against Saddam when the intelligence agencies (US govt) signaled it, with 0 evidence.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Post by dmix »

tpmx wrote: post #132
dmix wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is still special in this context where free speech is really taken to heart and extends to not only dissent against the government but even vile extremely unpopular political opinions are protected ...which is something you don't always find in every western country. For example, in Charlottesville 2017 [1] the local government tried to prevent Neo-nazis from using a park for a protest but ACLU sued the gov an…

I'd like to say you're wrong... but anti free speech legislation is growing like mad in Europe. :/ (Of course it's always under the guise of "harmony". F*ck, we're beginning to resemble the PRC.)

It's something that's far easier to take away than it is to stand for and defend. That's why it being enshrined in constitutions and a strong legal culture of defending it is so important.

Short-term thinking and people missing the forest for the trees after some emotional event is far too common for it to be trusted in the hands of the average politician.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Post by ben_jones »

jcranmer wrote: post #111
reilly3000 wrote: post #69

I think Western memory about the Opium Wars is a lot weaker than China's. They have a moral defense against any accusation of economic imperialism. Indeed, communism would have never taken hold if the British hadn't done such devastating harm.

What you're arguing is that, since China was previously a victim, China is incapable of being imperial. That's no comfort to countries which are staring down a gauntlet of Western imperialism being replaced with Chinese imperialism.

An enemy (eastern imperialism) of your enemy (western imperialism) is your friend. China was a victim in the Opium wars and then again to Japan in the 1930s and 1940s. This is all important context that needs to be considered.

To be clear I don't support China or Eastern imperialism in (significantly) Africa, the ME, or the US. But if you want to fight it you have to be informed, history repeats itself.

Re: The China Cultural Clash

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Post by chrisjc »

paxys wrote: post #60
zarro wrote: post #41

I see lots of Anti-China sentiment. I would be very careful here into not falling into their deliberate trap of making "The West" China's "Enemy". China in its current totalitarian form needs an "Enemy" to survive, without it, it has to deal with difficult internal questions which will force it to adapt and change - and this what scares them. Totalitarian governments rely on distraction and misdirection of the popula…

So what's the alternative? Don't speak out about real issues because you don't want to piss off Chinese citizens and make them think you are the enemy?

Perhaps differentiate between the CCP and the average Chinese citizen?
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