The claim is that only hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen are necessary for the base nucleotides, right?
Plus carbon, of course.
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Re: Lab-made primordial soup yields RNA bases
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Without creating any new ones? I have quite a lot of questions for our erstwhile intelligent designer... If you're happy to entertain a causeless cause to explain life, why make it an intelligent designer, a very complicated object? Why couldn't life itself be the causeless cause? A cell is much simpler than anything capable of inventing the universe. All 'intelligent design' does is move the problem (and amplify it)…
> Why couldn't life itself be the causeless cause? Because everything we know about this universe needs a cause, nothing in this universe is causeless, so you can't simply say that "something" inside that universe is causeless. And everything we know about life screams causality, from the need to eat and drink to generate energy, to sex for reproduction. If life can actually be causeless why is it so fragile and depe…
How does shortening "The Thing That Made The Things For Which There Is No Known Maker And Causes And Directs Events We Can't Otherwise Explain" to "God" actually brings any knowledge whatsoever? You didn't discover anything new.
It's much more honest to say "we don't know yet".
Re: Lab-made primordial soup yields RNA bases
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What are the alternatives? Even with panspermia life would have had to begin elsewhere. The universe would have been too hot at the Big Bang to support organic molecules if that theory is true. Even with “intelligent design” the intelligence would have its own heritage and origin. The implications of an alternative to abiogenesis seem outside the realm of scientific inquiry entirely. Is the desire here a coherent, de…
>Even with “intelligent design” the intelligence would have its own heritage and origin Is this really a given? Certainly there must be something in the universe that "started it all" and has no origin of itself. Or, alternatively, everything in the universe has a history stretching back infinitely far, but that's equally incomprehensible and still allows you to perform the same "trick" (in this case: life has always…
Intelligent design is a misnomer which has many forms, but at it's core it challenges naturalistic causation for abiogenesis on prebiotic Earth.
It doesn't posit anything about other intelligence or life, just that the biological information necessary to kick off a self-replicating cell that undergoes evolution is too complex and too specific to happen randomly on Earth.
Even naturalistic panspermia theories are compatible with intelligent design, because it shifts the frame of abiogenesis to different conditions where cellular formation may actually become probable.
Re: Lab-made primordial soup yields RNA bases
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It is great that you've found a way to feel superior to others with your purpose narrative.
So... you flagged me because you think I'm making some supposed statement of superiority? Also, what "purpose" narrative? Is contradicting the Neo-Darwinist model of life somehow not allowed? Does contradicting it make me a closet Christian, in your eyes? Because I don't see an answer in Neo-Darwinism or any religion. I'm happy not knowing, just as I'm happy to criticize people who claim to know.
I didn't flag you, dang flagged me for criticising your character instead of an idea. In any case, I think there is a case of false dichotomy going on here.