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Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by youeseh »

asabjorn wrote: post #113
mieseratte wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Republicans play to suppress minority voters. What are they doing to suppress minorities?

The minorities argument is hogwash. Read the list of things you can't do without a government ID and ask yourself how many are not doing any of those: have a bank account, getting a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes, apply for food stamps or welfare or medicaid/social security, apply for unemployment or a job, rent/buy a house, drive/buy/rent a car, fly, get married, etc etc So what is the real story? Former NYC D…

Like gun ownership and free speech, you have the right to vote in America.

So, if the government wanted to make it harder for the bad guys to own a gun... why should the good guys have to suffer for it?

Similarly, just because the government wants to prevent bad guys from voting, then why should the good guys have to suffer the consequences?

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by niij »

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #128
niij wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a good idea to me, for those without driver's license it'd provide a way to vote without the hassle of getting a non-drivers ID card. Only issues I could think of are: 1. No central registry of addresses, so how would the government know where to send the IDs. 2. Where would the photograph for the ID come from? 3. Possible fraud/abuse from stolen mail

Other countries were able to figure it out, so can we. Voting license proponents never seem to want to send eligible voters their free voting licenses, though.

> Other countries were able to figure it out, so can we

I mean the solution to #1 is obvious: forced registration. I think you'll have a hard time getting people on board with passing a law for that.

It just seems like an hour at the DMV would solve all 3 problems at once: provide address, current photo, and reduce fraud/abuse. Seems like a good system to me.

Can you give me an example of what other country(-ies) system you're thinking about? I'm curious how it's handled elsewhere as well without the need to appear in person to get an ID.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by joe_the_user »

chrischen wrote: post #111
dumbfoundded wrote: post #5

Awful idea. Having the government giving you a rating, even just for loans is way too far. Politics shouldn't impact my ability to pay but it certainly will. Look at the games Republicans play to suppress minority voters. You want to give those same people power over your credit scores? This is just trying to solve a symptom with a deeper problem. The real problem is that our judicial system is absolutely cowardly to…

A credit score is different from simply a registry. A registry is just a record. A score is opaque based on proprietary models, and scores can still be derived by private companies.

What information is the registry supposed to contain? What if I don't want to put my information there?

The last time I checked my credit report, it was a (false) list of ex-employers and ex-addresses.

The credit agencies use "undisclosed" methods to verify their data. What would the government do instead?

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by asabjorn »

youeseh wrote: post #131
asabjorn wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The minorities argument is hogwash. Read the list of things you can't do without a government ID and ask yourself how many are not doing any of those: have a bank account, getting a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes, apply for food stamps or welfare or medicaid/social security, apply for unemployment or a job, rent/buy a house, drive/buy/rent a car, fly, get married, etc etc So what is the real story? Former NYC D…

Like gun ownership and free speech, you have the right to vote in America. So, if the government wanted to make it harder for the bad guys to own a gun... why should the good guys have to suffer for it? Similarly, just because the government wants to prevent bad guys from voting, then why should the good guys have to suffer the consequences?

96% of Americans have a cellphone and that require an ID: https://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheet/mobile/

Also, good guys have IDs to do one of the many things I listed that require IDs including poor people that need an ID for food stamps or medicare or social security.

It is actually quite hard to buy a gun as this journalist that thought it was easy found out when trying to buy one: https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-vi...

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by frittig »

youeseh wrote: post #131
asabjorn wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The minorities argument is hogwash. Read the list of things you can't do without a government ID and ask yourself how many are not doing any of those: have a bank account, getting a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes, apply for food stamps or welfare or medicaid/social security, apply for unemployment or a job, rent/buy a house, drive/buy/rent a car, fly, get married, etc etc So what is the real story? Former NYC D…

Like gun ownership and free speech, you have the right to vote in America. So, if the government wanted to make it harder for the bad guys to own a gun... why should the good guys have to suffer for it? Similarly, just because the government wants to prevent bad guys from voting, then why should the good guys have to suffer the consequences?

I'm pretty sure that you need an ID in order to buy a gun.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by youeseh »

asabjorn wrote: post #134
youeseh wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like gun ownership and free speech, you have the right to vote in America. So, if the government wanted to make it harder for the bad guys to own a gun... why should the good guys have to suffer for it? Similarly, just because the government wants to prevent bad guys from voting, then why should the good guys have to suffer the consequences?

96% of Americans have a cellphone and that require an ID: https://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheet/mobile/ Also, good guys have IDs to do one of the many things I listed that require IDs including poor people that need an ID for food stamps or medicare or social security. It is actually quite hard to buy a gun as this journalist that thought it was easy found out when trying to buy one: https://www.businessinsider.com/…

Assuming that you're right that 96% have an ID, then what problem are we solving by forcing the other 4% into getting an ID? Is it even a problem? Do you have data to show that it is a real problem?

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto

Btw, you shouldn't mix up Walmart with the government. They aren't. Walmart can structure their customer experience any way they want as long as they aren't breaking the law.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by codyb »

asabjorn wrote: post #130
codyb wrote: post #117

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Voter ID laws to start. It’s a modern day poll tax to require ID to vote which prevents a crime barely anyone is even committing that doesn’t scale easily to sway most elections. I haven’t seen Republicans calling for easy access to IDs though and their efforts to suppress voting from people who side with the left are notorious. Their gerrymandered maps are being struck down in places like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, an…

As a non-citizen I think it is fair to expect enforcement of only one vote per citizen and to verify that the right person votes. Your assertion on how common voter fraud is contradic former NYC Democratic Commissioner of the Board of Elections Alan Schulkin which says it is prevalent in New York City, and he thinks there is a need for Voter ID laws: https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/117511800314022297... Thi…

Trump set up an entire committee to investigate voter fraud in the 2016 election and apparently found so little they were disbanded and never released their findings.

And I’m not basing much of my world view on that guys unsubstantiated claims or three video clips posted on Project Veritas (a Conservative non-profit which receives funding from the Koch brothers).

There’s a tweet from Governor Abbot talking about investigating this issue from 2018. I conveniently see zero follow up as to the results of that investigation.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by RandomBacon »

asabjorn wrote: post #127
jimclegg wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow this thread reeks of classism. You can't imagine an American that cannot afford $50-100 for a government I.D.? You can imagine (& possibly smell) the feces on the street but not the poor people who excrete it? We know most Americans can't come up with $400 for an emergency, are you going to act like this won't impact voting? This thread is why people are forcing diversity quotas even when it seems unnecessary, in…

You need a government ID to apply for food stamps or welfare or medicaid/social security, and to apply for unemployment or a job. It would seem like a poor person would utilize those services. Also, you need an ID to have a bank account, buy a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes.

> Also, you need an ID to have a bank account, buy a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes.

Incorrect on all three accounts in the U.S.

Some states might have a law requiring ID for alcohol or cigarettes, but at least one definitely does not. Some stores actually violate their state's law with their store's ID policies.

I've done all three without ID (alcohol, not cigarettes though). Yes, it is possible to have a bank account without ID.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by gurumeditations »

asabjorn wrote: post #113
mieseratte wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Republicans play to suppress minority voters. What are they doing to suppress minorities?

The minorities argument is hogwash. Read the list of things you can't do without a government ID and ask yourself how many are not doing any of those: have a bank account, getting a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes, apply for food stamps or welfare or medicaid/social security, apply for unemployment or a job, rent/buy a house, drive/buy/rent a car, fly, get married, etc etc So what is the real story? Former NYC D…

Please keep Veritas/O’Keefe/political BS off of here. They’re well-known to be serial fraudsters (with his latest attempt consisting of trying to plant false rape allegations during the Kavanaugh confirmation affair).

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by asabjorn »

codyb wrote: post #137
asabjorn wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-citizen I think it is fair to expect enforcement of only one vote per citizen and to verify that the right person votes. Your assertion on how common voter fraud is contradic former NYC Democratic Commissioner of the Board of Elections Alan Schulkin which says it is prevalent in New York City, and he thinks there is a need for Voter ID laws: https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/117511800314022297... Thi…

Trump set up an entire committee to investigate voter fraud in the 2016 election and apparently found so little they were disbanded and never released their findings. And I’m not basing much of my world view on that guys unsubstantiated claims or three video clips posted on Project Veritas (a Conservative non-profit which receives funding from the Koch brothers). There’s a tweet from Governor Abbot talking about inve…

How do you even distinguish voter fraud from a regular vote after the fact? This seems impossible because the vote is anonymous and there is no ID requirement, so no wonder putting a number on it after the fact is hard.

The source doesn't change the content of what they discovered, people caught red handed, or the statements made by officials such as NYC Democratic Commisioner Alan Schulkin.

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