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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by dmix »

spydum wrote: post #117
dmix wrote: post #59

I'm still not buying how they could be on a big deployment off the east coast of the US and didn't have any other sensors pick it up besides two pilots next to each other with FLIR camera autotracking it momentarily. Not to mention the constant satellite and aerial radar coverage and other networked stuff they have for these big deployments. This isn't in the middle of the Indian ocean like the missing Malaysian plan…

West coast right? Weren’t there other similar stories from ATC and commercial pilots? https://www.foxnews.com/science/ufo-evidence-recordings-reve...

There was two videos released by NYT, one was over the east coast. I haven't dug into the pacific north west incident, like I did the other one. Didn't really hold my interest.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-pilots-ufo-reports-confirm...

> Lieutenant Graves still cannot explain what he saw. In the summer of 2014, he and Lt. Danny Accoin, another Super Hornet pilot, were part of a squadron, the VFA-11 “Red Rippers” out of Naval Air Station Oceana, Va., that was training for a deployment to the Persian Gulf.

> The pilots began noticing the objects after their 1980s-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. As one fighter jet after another got the new radar, pilots began picking up the objects, but ignoring what they thought were false radar tracks.

Note: new radar can suggest more than just better capabilities but possibly less experience and more complexity (harder bugs).

My question: where are the really smart people at NASA or w/e with deep understanding of spaceflight and theoretical physics? So I far I only see excited posts from military bloggers and a some guys who sell books about aliens.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by bobdole12345 »

erik_landerholm wrote: post #118
lamontcg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its probably a system for "jamming" FLIR sensors an allowing the attacker to project targets onto the system. The pilots were guinea pigs. Which is made more plausible by the fact that the USS Princeton asked the Nimitz pilots first if they were armed, and only after they informed the Princeton that they were not that they were given the orders to investigate. There probably was a real object -- since one was sighted…

It moved way beyond super sonic speed and had the movement pattern of a “ping-pong ball bouncing off invisible walls”, while hovering. Capt fravor saw this with his eyeballs, unfortunately we can’t record that, yet.

No, more like the laser pointer dot can move faster than any cat could catch.

That doesn't mean the laser pointer wielder is moving that fast.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by andrewstuart »

Ever since the 1970's mysterious UFO and bigfoot style videos have turned up.

Always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS distant, blurry, out of focus and "from an authoritative source". This is precisely the same as the 1970s.

Leonard Nimoy knew what was going on "In Search Of UFOs": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVFWJDPcPnk

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by [deleted] »

simonblack wrote: post #4

I reckon it's misdirection. "We'll say it's a UFO, but really it's a hypersonic plane in development." Just like the SR71 had a cover story during its development phase. "The wreckage was recovered in two days, and persons at the scene were identified and requested to sign secrecy agreements. A cover story for the press described the accident as occurring to a F-105, and it is still listed in this way on official rec…

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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by gfodor »

My theory is that these are old autonomous probes that are part of a system designed to prevent any civilization from developing technology which would threaten the origin.

It’s a relatively inductive thing to assume that if humans get past any great filters we will look upwards for external existential threats by those other civilizations which do not get through, and whose failure may be due to development of tech which could harm us. A fair countermeasure would be to deploy autonomous probes that slowly blanket the galaxy and monitor and destroy threats. It would genuinely surprise me if we are here in 100 years that we wouldn’t have created and deployed such technology as a way to protect our ancestors future from external threats. This only makes sense once all major x-risk is paid down due to manmade technology and natural threats, but once so it seems inevitable this is the next thing our civilization will seek to protect against.

My suspicion is that these are real, are inaccessible to us, and always will be, at least until we get close to any kind of galaxy-level x-risk technology like AGI. At which point, we will either be wiped out or will be warned.

It’s actually quite a boring explanation since it doesn’t require too many leaps of logic, doesn’t break any laws of physics, and leaves us potentially alone in the present day universe (the origin of these may be long gone.)

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by semerda »

bendbro wrote: post #115
semerda wrote: post #91

Anyone notice the pilot switched between BLK and WHT mode and on both occasions the designator was coming back as COLD! Shouldn't a designator with an exhaust or any machinery in motion return HOT? Or did I get this wrong?

Perhaps it was the brightness or contrast of the sensor autoadjusting?

Nah in the intro they explain all the parts of the display unit and one of those was the state of tracked objects between these 2 modes. So the pilot checked the heat from each object using 2 different sensors (BLK & WHT) and both returned cold. Weird.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by ALittleLight »

therein wrote: post #74
Pyxl101 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the case, why not read the pilots into the test, even at a summary level? If the Navy had told the pilots, "You just experienced an advanced technology test. Nothing to worry about" then they would have undoubtedly kept their mouths shut and not talked to the media.

I agree that would have prevented a lot of misunderstandings but Navy operates this way all the time. They prefer a somewhat "blinded" subject.

The subject would still be blinded though. You could tell them after the fact. Then you get the real experience of a pilot encountering your system plus you get the added benefit that they won't tell people about the "UFO" they saw.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by egfx »

edoo wrote: post #125
Rebelgecko wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about a third option, it's a visual artifact on the FLIR recording?

What about a fourth option, multiple lasers projecting holograms.

I’m not sure what this would look like exactly or how plausible this is but I can’t discount that from my perspective as an eyewitness.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by codesushi42 »

egfx wrote: post #7
rblion wrote: post #2

I was a skeptic of a lot of things until I saw some flying orbs around Mount Shasta, California last October. I saw similar moving orbs again in upstate NY this year on two occasions. I don't know what I saw but they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors. Anyone here ever see something similar?

Yes I have. I posted about it in an unrelated article https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18367198 I’d make a correction though. It was not as fast as a super fast bird but more akin to a lightning fast game of laser tag or air hokey. The weirdest thing is that for some reason it immediately impressed on me that this was technology.

Yes, because if you are unable to explain such phenomena, then surely it must be technological!

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by ALittleLight »

api wrote: post #41
simonblack wrote: post #4

I reckon it's misdirection. "We'll say it's a UFO, but really it's a hypersonic plane in development." Just like the SR71 had a cover story during its development phase. "The wreckage was recovered in two days, and persons at the scene were identified and requested to sign secrecy agreements. A cover story for the press described the accident as occurring to a F-105, and it is still listed in this way on official rec…

If we have planes that can do that, I'm a bit proud and I feel happy that all those tax dollars falling into black budget holes have been doing something interesting. Personally I doubt it. The performance of that thing (assuming it is really a physical craft) is ludicrous.

I would be a bit upset that they were hoarding technology the public sector could use.
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