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Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by dragonwriter »

JasonFruit wrote: post #130
ceejayoz wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unsurprisingly, it's a bit more nuanced in that case. Google Translate isn't great for legalistic documents, but that decision ( https://www.conseil-etat.fr/fr/arianeweb/CE/decision/2016-11... ) seems to rest quite a bit on whether or not it's an issue advocacy ad, which apparently require disclosures in France similar to how US campaign ads have to have "I approved this message" sort of things. "France requires poli…

That's a really interesting read, insofar as I am able. Thank you for digging it up. I'm not sure your characterization is quite correct, however. If I'm reading point 10 correctly — and that's not certain, as neither my French nor Google Translate is quite up to the task — it sounds as though the determination that it was an issue-advocacy ad and therefore inappropriate to broadcast was made largely on the basis of…

No, even if that's the basis for determining it is an issue advocacy ad, it was not permitted because it lacked the required notifications for such an ad, not because the content was prohibited.

The alternative you present is equivalent to arguing that campaign-sponsored ads are prohibited in the US, since they will be found illegal if presented without required notices.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by leereeves »

save_ferris wrote: post #56
simion314 wrote: post #41

I am not from US so can someone explain why the antiabortion thing seem rise in this last year? Is there some elections and some party is trying to gain votes or some social media trend? My question is about the timing(why now?) and not on "who is the good/bad guy" here.

Abortion was long considered a settled issue due to the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision many years ago. However, a lot of attention has been directed at the current court, which has insinuated that they're interested in overturning the ruling, which would be chaotic and deeply controversial.

I don't think anyone considered it a settled issue. Upholding or overturning Roe v Wade has always been a major issue in elections and SC nominations.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

jjulius wrote: post #55
hartator wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is FB is not fact checking leftist videos the same way they were doing with the right. Untrue facts about guns for example are never pointed out. Like almost every guns are semi-automatic. Including revolvers and handguns. Making banning semi-automatic weapons in profit of handguns a non-sense.

>The thing is FB is not fact checking leftist videos the same way they were doing with the right. Can you please provide data that supports this statement? >Untrue facts about guns for example are never pointed out. Using absolutes such as "never" in a statement like that can often be a bit of a stretch. Like my last question, do you have proof that Facebook has never fact-checked a single gun video?

> Can you please provide data that supports this statement?

What kind of data do you believe would be necessary for a negative claim like this?

Do I have proof there is no teapot between the Earth and the moon? No. Do you believe this means you can dismiss my claim that there isn't a teapot floating between the Earth and the moon?

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by jjulius »

CompanionCuuube wrote: post #133
jjulius wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The thing is FB is not fact checking leftist videos the same way they were doing with the right. Can you please provide data that supports this statement? >Untrue facts about guns for example are never pointed out. Using absolutes such as "never" in a statement like that can often be a bit of a stretch. Like my last question, do you have proof that Facebook has never fact-checked a single gun video?

> Can you please provide data that supports this statement? What kind of data do you believe would be necessary for a negative claim like this? Do I have proof there is no teapot between the Earth and the moon? No. Do you believe this means you can dismiss my claim that there isn't a teapot floating between the Earth and the moon?

>What kind of data do you believe would be necessary for a negative claim like this?

It's literally as simple as a total count of left-leaning and right-leaning posts/videos/photos that have been fact-checked.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by sterileopinions »

scoobyyabbadoo wrote: post #91
jimbob45 wrote: post #4

Is it just me or does putting FACT CHECK above an article immediately make anyone else not want to click on that article?

Same here, just makes me think who has connections to get themselves declared fact checker. Can you imagine how awesome it must be to have major media outlets coo about how whatever you the fact checker says should not be questioned?

This comment is a dog whistle.

Why are HN moderators allowing this account to post comments on this forum?

Here is a previous comment on this account:

>tBut the progressive revolution has entirely skipped over the struggles of non-Jewish whites merely because of their skin color.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20972062

and another one:

>Let's just be honest here, the only people experiencing fall-out from the Epstein case are not Je-yank

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20918028

It is very very concerning that HN moderators police tone but not substance and allows accounts like this one to proliferate conspiracy theories.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by scoobyyabbadoo »

sterileopinions wrote: post #135
scoobyyabbadoo wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here, just makes me think who has connections to get themselves declared fact checker. Can you imagine how awesome it must be to have major media outlets coo about how whatever you the fact checker says should not be questioned?

This comment is a dog whistle. Why are HN moderators allowing this account to post comments on this forum? Here is a previous comment on this account: >tBut the progressive revolution has entirely skipped over the struggles of non-Jewish whites merely because of their skin color. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20972062 and another one: >Let's just be honest here, the only people experiencing fall-out from the E…

I noticed the sudden drop of points in my comments score in the past hour, which I must deduce is you going through and downvoting all my posts? Please remember the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

>Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by sterileopinions »

scoobyyabbadoo wrote: post #136
sterileopinions wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is a dog whistle. Why are HN moderators allowing this account to post comments on this forum? Here is a previous comment on this account: >tBut the progressive revolution has entirely skipped over the struggles of non-Jewish whites merely because of their skin color. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20972062 and another one: >Let's just be honest here, the only people experiencing fall-out from the E…

I noticed the sudden drop of points in my comments score in the past hour, which I must deduce is you going through and downvoting all my posts? Please remember the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html >When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." >Please respond to the strongest plausi…

>which I must deduce is you going through and downvoting all my posts?

I haven't touched a single post of yours, and indeed it is impossible for me downvote _anyone_ with the current status of my account.

Pretty poor theory for a pretty poor person.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by scoobyyabbadoo »

sterileopinions wrote: post #137
scoobyyabbadoo wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed the sudden drop of points in my comments score in the past hour, which I must deduce is you going through and downvoting all my posts? Please remember the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html >When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." >Please respond to the strongest plausi…

>which I must deduce is you going through and downvoting all my posts? I haven't touched a single post of yours, and indeed it is impossible for me downvote _anyone_ with the current status of my account. Pretty poor theory for a pretty poor person.

OK, maybe you shared my account with someone who can downvote, it doesn't matter. If you have something to reply to my comments, you can reply to me directly with what you disagree with and why, I have always engaged productively with many people on HN whether their viewpoints are similar or different. From your prior comment I know you disagree with something I've said but you haven't stated why you think those things are incorrect, not that this thread is particularly relevant to all of them, it would make sense if you replied within the relevant discussions.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by ceejayoz »

jjulius wrote: post #134
CompanionCuuube wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you please provide data that supports this statement? What kind of data do you believe would be necessary for a negative claim like this? Do I have proof there is no teapot between the Earth and the moon? No. Do you believe this means you can dismiss my claim that there isn't a teapot floating between the Earth and the moon?

>What kind of data do you believe would be necessary for a negative claim like this? It's literally as simple as a total count of left-leaning and right-leaning posts/videos/photos that have been fact-checked.

It's not that simple.

You'd have to also determine the respective frequencies of left-leaning and right-leaning posts/videos/photos containing falsehoods for those numbers to be useful.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by jjulius »

ceejayoz wrote: post #139
jjulius wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What kind of data do you believe would be necessary for a negative claim like this? It's literally as simple as a total count of left-leaning and right-leaning posts/videos/photos that have been fact-checked.

It's not that simple. You'd have to also determine the respective frequencies of left-leaning and right-leaning posts/videos/photos containing falsehoods for those numbers to be useful.

Fair point.
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